These are extremely debatable.GM Sub's corner game being wildly overrated
Kobu Tanya not actually being OP, and that nerfing her pressure would make her one of the worst characters in the game
HQT Predator never being top 5
by people who are wrong, yeah.These are extremely debatable.
Well the fact that NRS nerfed one string's properties (causing multiple consequences) and eventually restored them kinda suggests otherwise....I was right about most things.
Hellfire was not underpowered after the first round of nerfs ("dead character bro")
What buffs? In fact, they NERFED her worst variation lol. Only reason she MAY be in the top 5 now is because of peer pressure nerfs to other previous top tiers.Vorah being top 5 without MKXL buffs but still getting them anyway because terribad community
The changes you are referring too really affected nothing other than ease of execution and like 1% damage. Plus, it's NRS. Just because they changed something and then changed it again doesn't mean that they were correct either of those times. And this final implementation of the string is almost the same in application as the second implementation, while the first implementation was much different to both. As I said, he was fine. He's still fine now as well.Well the fact that NRS nerfed one string's properties (causing multiple consequences) and eventually restored them kinda suggests otherwise....
oh I don't know, the fact that she can now armor gaps without getting broken? The fact that like the one hole in her game was IMPROVED, while literally every other top tier character received significant nerfs? Nerfing her worst variation doesn't mean shit when her best one got buffed, its just another example of NRS fuckeryWhat buffs? In fact, they NERFED her worst variation lol.
So, you agree with the statement that she is now likely top 5 and would be even without buffs (especially considering you don't think shes had any buffs)?Only reason she MAY be in the top 5 now is because of peer pressure nerfs to other previous top tiers.
Was more referring to Kobu apparently not being OP pre-nerfs. She was quite ridiculous.by people who are wrong, yeah.
Kobu isn't one of the worst characters in the game?
GM is top 5?
HQT was top 5?
nah.
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about pre CEO vanilla TP Tanya, who was really broken. I think it's pretty clear that the next implementation of Kobu wasn't as good a lot of people were thinking, you just needed to learn the MU. And that's not even factoring in the option select of her pressure that nobody could be bothered to learn at the time. In current MKXL she'd be fine.Was more referring to Kobu apparently not being OP pre-nerfs. She was quite ridiculous.
Wasn't talking about GM being top 5, was talking about GMs corner game apparently being overrated. The corner is his domain with very high-damaging 50/50s on his side, throw into clone and the ability to reset this situation every time he gets a knockdown.
That's my point, people thought he was top 5 when he wasn't. Saying that he was top 5 at the time because the actual top tiers were being slept on is just another way of saying "people were wrong about who was top 5 at the time".HQT pre-nerfs was arguably top 5 for a while, before the Quan buffs arrived and current top tiers were either slept on or didn't receive the buffs that made them top yet.
Maybe. I know what you are saying, I know you don't necessarily disagree, and you are just saying that maybe these points don't yet qualify as "things I was 'confirmed' right about". But I think they are well enough cemented at this point to list them as confirmed whether the TYM's groupthink opinion has caught up or not, and this is a different game now for Kobu and HQT, so it's never going be anymore or less confirmed than it is now. There was a couple of things I DID shave off the list, cause the TYM is rock solid on their incorrect opinions and will tell you how wrong you are for believing otherwise, all the way up until a better player shows them they were wrong in tournament or stream or whatever, and I think moments like that is exactly what this thread was getting at.I'm saying these three points are very debatable, not that I fully disagree with you.
If by "right hands" you mean the hands of a god...then maybe xD If not...Kenshi not being top tier, but viable enough to take top 5 at EVO in the right hands
It's not an opinion. Pig seems pretty human to me, and he placed 3rd using no character but Kenshi. Whether it's doable in current MKXL is another question, but it was proven correct at the time.If by "right hands" you mean the hands of a god...then maybe xD If not...
That was esl season 1, three months after the game was released. He's an expert of the character, probably the best Kenshi in the world, but lack of mu nowledge from people (specially Balanced) also affected the result. It would be a miracle if a Balanced player made top 3 esl now, 1 year after release.It's not an opinion. Pig seems pretty human to me, and he placed 3rd using no character but Kenshi. Whether it's doable in current MKXL is another question, but it was proven correct at the time.
sure. Maybe with match-up knowledge and the advancements and state of the game and the characters that have all changed in MKXL, it may or may not be possible anymore. That's not a statement I'm making. However, the statement that Kenshi was capable take top 5 at ESL 2015, was absolutely correct.That was esl season 1, three months after the game was released. He's an expert of the character, probably the best Kenshi in the world, but lack of mu nowledge from people (specially Balanced) also affected the result. It would be a miracle if a Balanced player made top 3 esl now, 1 year after release.
I think you are right, esl was few weeks before evo, same as this year.@ismael4790 my memory is failing me right now, am I right in thinking that ESL ended just a week or two before EVO? or was that a different event? Not being sarcastic actually struggling to recall
And I understand its two different settings, however I think Kenshi while bad, could have potentially taken it. Maybe I'll scrub this one off the list because it didn't happen so I guess I can't call it confirmed, but I think ESL is proof that the character wasn't TOO far behind everyone else to be incapable of competing, he was just weak, thats all, and he still placed top 5 there. Removed it anyway, you make a solid point.
He never was.Lol Summoner is not garbage. He's just not the best character in the game anymore.