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Question What were you right and wrong about?

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
I was right about most things.


Erron Black being overrated
Vorah being top 5 without MKXL buffs but still getting them anyway because terribad community
GM Sub's corner game being wildly overrated
Cutthroat being Kano's best variation
Kobu Tanya not actually being OP, and that nerfing her pressure would make her one of the worst characters in the game
Crystalline Tremor still being fine in MKXL
Quan Chi being ridiculous and bad game design, took him being the #1 character for people to realise meterless HTB 50/50 vortex resets are not just offset by lack of armour
HQT Predator never being top 5
Cassie was OP as fuck (not anymore)
Hellfire was not underpowered after the first round of nerfs ("dead character bro")
Takeda was the worst character in the game (until he got his buffs)
Blood God being the KK variation to make the most noise competitively (everyone thought because he has big gimmicks, that he has nothing but gimmicks)
Covops Sonya being overrated as hell



And I bet I'm right about a lot of things still to be seen
 
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ArmedCalf

I guess I play Necromancer now.. PSN: ArmedCalf
Imposter would be out of his mind with the JIP outta tele buff. I was pretty close
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
I was right about most things.


Hellfire was not underpowered after the first round of nerfs ("dead character bro")
Well the fact that NRS nerfed one string's properties (causing multiple consequences) and eventually restored them kinda suggests otherwise....

Vorah being top 5 without MKXL buffs but still getting them anyway because terribad community
What buffs? In fact, they NERFED her worst variation lol. Only reason she MAY be in the top 5 now is because of peer pressure nerfs to other previous top tiers.
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
Well the fact that NRS nerfed one string's properties (causing multiple consequences) and eventually restored them kinda suggests otherwise....
The changes you are referring too really affected nothing other than ease of execution and like 1% damage. Plus, it's NRS. Just because they changed something and then changed it again doesn't mean that they were correct either of those times. And this final implementation of the string is almost the same in application as the second implementation, while the first implementation was much different to both. As I said, he was fine. He's still fine now as well.


What buffs? In fact, they NERFED her worst variation lol.
oh I don't know, the fact that she can now armor gaps without getting broken? The fact that like the one hole in her game was IMPROVED, while literally every other top tier character received significant nerfs? Nerfing her worst variation doesn't mean shit when her best one got buffed, its just another example of NRS fuckery

Only reason she MAY be in the top 5 now is because of peer pressure nerfs to other previous top tiers.
So, you agree with the statement that she is now likely top 5 and would be even without buffs (especially considering you don't think shes had any buffs)?
 

DDutchguy

Stand 4'ing airplanes out of the sky
by people who are wrong, yeah.


Kobu isn't one of the worst characters in the game?
GM is top 5?
HQT was top 5?


nah.
Was more referring to Kobu apparently not being OP pre-nerfs. She was quite ridiculous.

Wasn't talking about GM being top 5, was talking about GMs corner game apparently being overrated. The corner is his domain with very high-damaging 50/50s on his side, throw into clone and the ability to reset this situation every time he gets a knockdown.

HQT pre-nerfs was arguably top 5 for a while, before the Quan buffs arrived and current top tiers were either slept on or didn't receive the buffs that made them top yet.

I'm saying these three points are very debatable, not that I fully disagree with you.
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
Was more referring to Kobu apparently not being OP pre-nerfs. She was quite ridiculous.

Wasn't talking about GM being top 5, was talking about GMs corner game apparently being overrated. The corner is his domain with very high-damaging 50/50s on his side, throw into clone and the ability to reset this situation every time he gets a knockdown.
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about pre CEO vanilla TP Tanya, who was really broken. I think it's pretty clear that the next implementation of Kobu wasn't as good a lot of people were thinking, you just needed to learn the MU. And that's not even factoring in the option select of her pressure that nobody could be bothered to learn at the time. In current MKXL she'd be fine.


HQT pre-nerfs was arguably top 5 for a while, before the Quan buffs arrived and current top tiers were either slept on or didn't receive the buffs that made them top yet.
That's my point, people thought he was top 5 when he wasn't. Saying that he was top 5 at the time because the actual top tiers were being slept on is just another way of saying "people were wrong about who was top 5 at the time".
That being said, HQT was extremely overrated. Great character, yes. Top 5? TOP 3?? No fckin way. Defensive armor was basically like 1 step down from QC's, all buttons were slow, and while his space control was nice he didn't have Quan Chi type bullshit as a reward for it, nor did he have the mix-ups. He was never top 5, people just DLC kneejerked on this one.

I'm saying these three points are very debatable, not that I fully disagree with you.
Maybe. I know what you are saying, I know you don't necessarily disagree, and you are just saying that maybe these points don't yet qualify as "things I was 'confirmed' right about". But I think they are well enough cemented at this point to list them as confirmed whether the TYM's groupthink opinion has caught up or not, and this is a different game now for Kobu and HQT, so it's never going be anymore or less confirmed than it is now. There was a couple of things I DID shave off the list, cause the TYM is rock solid on their incorrect opinions and will tell you how wrong you are for believing otherwise, all the way up until a better player shows them they were wrong in tournament or stream or whatever, and I think moments like that is exactly what this thread was getting at.
 

Wam-Zlay

Reptile / Noob
Reptile is the only cool char in the game

i´ve played a lot of other chars and he is still the best <3 (I like a few others though ^^)
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
If by "right hands" you mean the hands of a god...then maybe xD If not...
It's not an opinion. Pig seems pretty human to me, and he placed 3rd using no character but Kenshi. Whether it's doable in current MKXL is another question, but it was proven correct at the time.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
It's not an opinion. Pig seems pretty human to me, and he placed 3rd using no character but Kenshi. Whether it's doable in current MKXL is another question, but it was proven correct at the time.
That was esl season 1, three months after the game was released. He's an expert of the character, probably the best Kenshi in the world, but lack of mu nowledge from people (specially Balanced) also affected the result. It would be a miracle if a Balanced player made top 3 esl now, 1 year after release.
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
That was esl season 1, three months after the game was released. He's an expert of the character, probably the best Kenshi in the world, but lack of mu nowledge from people (specially Balanced) also affected the result. It would be a miracle if a Balanced player made top 3 esl now, 1 year after release.
sure. Maybe with match-up knowledge and the advancements and state of the game and the characters that have all changed in MKXL, it may or may not be possible anymore. That's not a statement I'm making. However, the statement that Kenshi was capable take top 5 at ESL 2015, was absolutely correct.

Because it happened. And EVO was only a week after iirc
 
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I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
@ismael4790 my memory is failing me right now, am I right in thinking that ESL ended just a week or two before EVO? or was that a different event? Not being sarcastic actually struggling to recall

And I understand its two different settings, however I think Kenshi while bad, could have potentially taken it. Maybe I'll scrub this one off the list because it didn't happen so I guess I can't call it confirmed, but I think ESL is proof that the character wasn't TOO far behind everyone else to be incapable of competing, he was just weak, thats all, and he still placed top 5 there. Removed it anyway, you make a solid point.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
@ismael4790 my memory is failing me right now, am I right in thinking that ESL ended just a week or two before EVO? or was that a different event? Not being sarcastic actually struggling to recall

And I understand its two different settings, however I think Kenshi while bad, could have potentially taken it. Maybe I'll scrub this one off the list because it didn't happen so I guess I can't call it confirmed, but I think ESL is proof that the character wasn't TOO far behind everyone else to be incapable of competing, he was just weak, thats all, and he still placed top 5 there. Removed it anyway, you make a solid point.
I think you are right, esl was few weeks before evo, same as this year.

Most people still weren't taking advantage of the immense weaknesses the character had (even greater than the ones he has now).
It was a great example that Amazing player+lack of matchup knowledge from the opponent can compensate a trash character toolset. But the second of these factors has disappeared now that a year has passed.
 

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
Moderator
right
mileena being a shitter on the games release (said pre release on a podcast)
tanya being dlc

wrong
fujin was going to be in kp2
baraka was going to be in kp2
ethereal def being mileena's best variation after the mkxl changes (said day 1 of onlinebeta lol)

undecided
liu kang is cancer
 

ChoseDeath

Seriously Casual Player.
Wrong: Kung Lao best character. Kitana top 5. I'd main Sub like every other MK. I'd be able to learn every character with each variation.

Right: The stamina/run system would work well. Goro would suck. This game is undeniably and incredibly fun to play casually! This game is crazy fun to watch competitively. SonicFox would be number 1 in this game.

Also gave me two characters I'm madly in love with. Ferra/Torr and Kotal Kahn, how I adore thee!