Was more referring to Kobu apparently not being OP pre-nerfs. She was quite ridiculous.
Wasn't talking about GM being top 5, was talking about GMs corner game apparently being overrated. The corner is his domain with very high-damaging 50/50s on his side, throw into clone and the ability to reset this situation every time he gets a knockdown.
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about pre CEO vanilla TP Tanya, who was really broken. I think it's pretty clear that the next implementation of Kobu wasn't as good a lot of people were thinking, you just needed to learn the MU. And that's not even factoring in the option select of her pressure that nobody could be bothered to learn at the time. In current MKXL she'd be fine.
HQT pre-nerfs was arguably top 5 for a while, before the Quan buffs arrived and current top tiers were either slept on or didn't receive the buffs that made them top yet.
That's my point, people thought he was top 5 when he wasn't. Saying that he was top 5 at the time because the actual top tiers were being slept on is just another way of saying "people were wrong about who was top 5 at the time".
That being said, HQT was extremely overrated. Great character, yes. Top 5? TOP 3?? No fckin way. Defensive armor was basically like 1 step down from QC's, all buttons were slow, and while his space control was nice he didn't have Quan Chi type bullshit as a reward for it, nor did he have the mix-ups. He was never top 5, people just DLC kneejerked on this one.
I'm saying these three points are very debatable, not that I fully disagree with you.
Maybe. I know what you are saying, I know you don't necessarily disagree, and you are just saying that maybe these points don't yet qualify as "things I was 'confirmed' right about". But I think they are well enough cemented at this point to list them as confirmed whether the TYM's groupthink opinion has caught up or not, and this is a different game now for Kobu and HQT, so it's never going be anymore or less confirmed than it is now. There was a couple of things I DID shave off the list, cause the TYM is rock solid on their incorrect opinions and will tell you how wrong you are for believing otherwise, all the way up until a better player shows them they were wrong in tournament or stream or whatever, and I think moments like that is exactly what this thread was getting at.
