General/Other - Smoke XL Robo Smoke Discussion Thread

[MajinBerserker]

2% of the damage from smoke bomb was moved to the drop, and since vortex combos skip the drop that is where your 2% is going.

Triborg (Smoke) - reduced the initial damage of Smoke Cloud & Smoke Bomb by 2 and increased the drop damage by 2

Ahhhh, thanks for explaining that "drop" part.
Personally, I did not fully know what it meant.

 

[MajinBerserker]

I agree with your guys' optimism. All the way.
#SmokePurp

 

[Mind Flex]

I feel like I would have been fine with these nerfs if they fixed his other issues such as the second hit of b21 whiffing on crouching opponents.

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Cant we still delay our vortex with f13 it should be posible seing how f1 is 8 frames were plus 17 or whatever need to check when i get home but this kinda sucks why dint they fix whiffing issues on b21.

Are you guys sure we still get the guaranteed vortex with 21 only being plus 17

 

[xKhaoTik]

Cant we still delay our vortex with f13 it should be posible seing how f1 is 8 frames were plus 17 or whatever need to check when i get home but this kinda sucks why dint they fix whiffing issues on b21.

Are you guys sure we still get the guaranteed vortex with 21 only being plus 17

Vortex isn't guranteed anymore. The low is still fast enough but with us being +17 at the most now, b1 can be avoided.

I also don't understand the damage nerf. He didn't even do alot of damage like that to begin with

 

[boba_buster]

I labbed the 21 vortex and couldn't armor out with subs exicebomb

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Vortex isn't guranteed anymore. The low is still fast enough but with us being +17 at the most now, b1 can be avoided.

I also don't understand the damage nerf. He didn't even do alot of damage like that to begin with

Seriously if the vortex isnt guaranteed anymore im done with this character just when i was starting to like smoke he gets this undeserved nerf

Are you 100 percent b1 isnt guaranteed other people in here are saying it is

 

[xKhaoTik]

I labbed the 21 vortex and couldn't armor out with subs exicebomb

Set the AI to do slide, do a combo and end it with the 21 vortex, then go for b1. He should be able to slide

 

[boba_buster]

pretty sure the vortex is still guaranteed with 21 , is there a better way to test it @xKhaoTik ?
What pisses me off is you can't throw off a 21!!!

 

[boba_buster]

How so? Reversal only works on block. How would I set it up to do it on hit?

 

[xKhaoTik]

How so? Reversal only works on block. How would I set it up to do it on hit?

Have sub P2 and then recorded yourself doing ex slide. After that, go back to the character you are and start the playback. Sub should be sliding left and right lol.

Punish slide with a vortex. Go for b1 after. If he slides (which I think he should because b1 is 18f and 21 is +17), then vortex isn't guaranteed.

 

[Red Hood MKX]

This is stupid if we no longer have the guaranteed vortex RIP

 

[boba_buster]

Have sub P2 and then recorded yourself doing ex slide. After that, go back to the character you are and start the playback. Sub should be sliding left and right lol.

Punish slide with a vortex. Go for b1 after. If he slides (which I think he should because b1 is 18f and 21 is +17), then vortex isn't guaranteed.

Will do

 

[Matador Fiend]

Why the hell did Smoke get nerfed? Damn

 

[Red Hood MKX]

If leatherface butcher still has his guaranteed 50/50 vortex im gonna losse my shit

 

[Bomborge]

Nice knowing you smoke. These nerfs were stupid.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

I think he will still be fine. The damage nerf wasn't justified though. Neither was taking adv off his ex smoke bomb (which I barely used anyways)

 

[Red Hood MKX]

Smoke is potentially the worst character in the game now no armor no fast teleport no vortex no damage!!! no zoning barely any mix ups do i need to mention more

 

[supernumian]

Ending combo into 3 for vortex doesn't work anymore.
21 is better and it's difficult to armor the vortex.
Another option is using a j.in 2 and delay the 50/50.
After the j.in 2 you are at +24 and the 50/50 needs to be blocked.
However, you sacrifice damage, of course.

 

[boba_buster]

I tested the 21 ender against reptile ex slide , seems to work fine ,

 

[Geoffmeister]

Honestly, these changes don't seem so bad but I won't be getting around to testing/playing for awhile.

While EX Smoke Bomb is +5 instead of +8, it's always been hard as hell to hitconfirm (unless you're hitconfirming right after the mixup), but it seems there is added block-stun, which makes it easier to hitconfirm or for opponents to backdash/Armor after it. However, if you hitconfirm by one frame too late you'll get poked after spending a bar. (anyone else's opinion/experience on this?)
Additionally, Smoke can't "guarantee" a mixup after EX Smoke Bomb anymore, at least 10 frames for your opponent to do whatever he wants, his options are limited to f4 (to beat pokes/jumps) or b1 (to beat backdashes).

Slower b3? Alright.. So we can forget about delaying b3 to destroy fuzzies because fuzzy'ing his mixups are impossible now, not a fan of making people guess and losing neutral tools but it's whatever.
Damage nerf? Holy smokes, why?
Adjusted hit-stun advantage on basically every string? Great! Guess I'll start labbing all that phase-data again ffs

Smoke didn't need a single nerf in my opinion, but hopefully with this they can start nerfing the rest of the roster if the plan is still a balanced MKX cause DLC is going to be scarce at tournaments.

 

[Matix218]

Vortex isn't guranteed anymore. The low is still fast enough but with us being +17 at the most now, b1 can be avoided.

I also don't understand the damage nerf. He didn't even do alot of damage like that to begin with

Wait what???? With 21 we are +17 and b1 is 18 frames right? So you would need a move that starts up in 1 frame to beat out b1 right? Have you tested this?

 

[xKhaoTik]

Wait what???? With 21 we are +17 and b1 is 18 frames right? So you would need a move that starts up in 1 frame to beat out b1 right? Have you tested this?

Armor or invincibility basically. It would be tough but that 1f is still enough to get it out. I haven't tested it yet but it would seem like it makes sense. I'll test when I get home

 

[boba_buster]

I need to test it against Laos spin but I'm sure we're ok , the slower b3 is actually a buff cuz now ppl can't fuzzy guard , armored moves armor starts up after the first frame right? That's probly why I couldn't interupt with reptiles. So if I'm right the 17 frame advantage is really 18 frames when u count the 1 frame befor armor starts? Does that sound correct?

 

[Matix218]

Armor or invincibility basically. It would be tough but that 1f is still enough to get it out. I haven't tested it yet but it would seem like it makes sense. I'll test when I get home

Oh I gotcha, yeah that would be basically a 1 frame link for a fast armor/invincibility move. Tbh that may not be that bad for smoke. They have 1 frame to get it right if they go for it and if they miss The Window you are guaranteed to hit with your b1 since they are not blocking.