Breakthrough - Ferra/Torr [Pre-patch] Ferra/Torr Block Infinite

[Doombawkz]

Just for the sake of it...

*ahem*

Dear everyone bitching about this (This includes you too @Pig Of The Hut , as much as I respect you)

If you were going to complain about this, you should've done it since day 1

You know, since it existed in the first place. You should have learned to deal with this a year ago.

Don't demand the game change because YOU can't.

~ Signed
The guy who said the exact same thing about Bane when you guys complained after 1.06 about things we've had since vanilla.

 

[Alright RyRy]

Not all of his variations are built to rush down, I personally play Vicious. You can't generalize the character based on 1 variation.

Ferra / Torr is not a zoner by any means. He is an Anti-Zoner, The rushdown portions on all variations are better than trying to zone an entire match.

 

[SylverRye]

And yeah knicks hit me with this as well lol

 

[HomeLee1121]

You're right Homelee.
Obviously us Ferra/Torrs who have been playing since the beginning have no idea how "good" of an anti-air d.1 is. Please tell me more about how we haven't tried it against most of the cast and it only works against certain jump-ins at certain lengths and certain delays, and gets blown up for full combo otherwise.

i mean ive seen biohazard just hit d1 repeatedly on jump ins and it works. Just level up bro

 

[ID_Moi_LSac]

Name me another character that gives us their entire offensive kit to apply +6?

Ronin Takeda... Oh the irony

 

[Doombawkz]

i mean ive seen biohazard just hit d1 repeatedly on jump ins and it works. Just level up bro

I can count on one finger the amount of times he hits someone with it in a match and it matters.

If you're going to complain about an anti-air, complain about d.3, the hitbox is redic.

 

[Maylon]

when you lose ferra, you gain a faster d1 that has good range and anti airs incredibly well. I think that trade off alone is good enough. Less plus just means you cant play braindead.

you're actually saying that a faster d1 is measureable compensation for losing nearly 3/4 of your moveset? let's not forget that we also have to stay grounded and in some cases stationary in hopes that ferra will return promptly.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

Sweep length, n.j.p length, and so on

oh how the fuck did I forget the njp!!

honestly lackey's sweep is nothing to turn your nose up at.

I've noticed lots of people respect b232+4, I always check with a d1 after to see if they do, when they do I start mixing in the sweep cuz it's at just the right range.

 

[Alright RyRy]

Just for the sake of it...

*ahem*

Dear everyone bitching about this (This includes you too @Pig Of The Hut , as much as I respect you)

If you were going to complain about this, you should've done it since day 1

You know, since it existed in the first place. You should have learned to deal with this a year ago.

Don't demand the game change because YOU can't.

~ Signed
The guy who said the exact same thing about Bane when you guys complained after 1.06 about things we've had since vanilla.

Sorry we don't play Ferra / Torr, This is the first time I have heard about it. I always knew of the gap, but never thought about it if I didn't have meter and a slower D1.

If all you Ferra Torr players knew about this then why was this character considered trash since he as always had a pseudo block infinite against slower poking characters? Seems like a damn good tool to me.

 

[Doombawkz]

oh how the fuck did I forget the njp!!

honestly lackey's sweep is nothing to turn your nose up at.

I've noticed lots of people respect b232+4, I always check with a d1 after to see if they do, when they do I start mixing in the sweep cuz it's at just the right range.

I mean its not anything to turn your nose up at if you're in lackey, because at that range you have lots of options.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

You're right Homelee.
Obviously us Ferra/Torrs who have been playing since the beginning have no idea how "good" of an anti-air d.1 is. Please tell me more about how we haven't tried it against most of the cast and it only works against certain jump-ins at certain lengths and certain delays, and gets blown up for full combo otherwise.

preach it @Doombawkz, it's such a gamble I don't even try to use it as an aa

 

[HomeLee1121]

you're actually saying that a faster d1 is measureable compensation for losing nearly 3/4 of your moveset? let's not forget that we also have to stay grounded and in some cases stationary in hopes that ferra will return promptly.

ronin loses his restand, OH launcher, projectile, and a couple of strings as well....just saying

 

[Doombawkz]

Sorry we don't play Ferra / Torr, This is the first time I have heard about it. I always knew of the gap, but never thought about it if I didn't have meter and a slower D1.

If all you Ferra Torr players knew about this then why was this character considered trash since he as always had a pseudo block infinite against slower poking characters? Seems like a damn good tool to me.

Its not about playing, its about playing against them. You guys never bothered to learn about it, and now the moment someone posts a string with a gap which a poke can squeeze into and deny him all of his pressure tools for 32 frames while leaving him negative, or just armor through it, everyone shits the bed.

We did know about it, and its garbage. I always complain at bio not to do b.121xxFerra toss because of the gap, but no one punishes it because no one has learned to do anything about it.

Victory has costed you all strength, victory has defeated you.

 

[Blewdew]

Sorry we don't play Ferra / Torr, This is the first time I have heard about it. I always knew of the gap, but never thought about it if I didn't have meter and a slower D1.

If all you Ferra Torr players knew about this then why was this character considered trash since he as always had a pseudo block infinite against slower poking characters? Seems like a damn good tool to me.

It's Not like we haven't tried lol. There are plenty of posts in tier lists where people had them at the very Bottom and we claimed they're better than that but no one ever gave a shit about them.

 

[Alright RyRy]

Its not about playing, its about playing against them. You guys never bothered to learn about it, and now the moment someone posts a string with a gap which a poke can squeeze into and deny him all of his pressure tools for 32 frames while leaving him negative, or just armor through it, everyone shits the bed.

We did know about it, and its garbage. I always complain at bio not to do b.121xxFerra toss because of the gap, but no one punishes it because no one has learned to do anything about it.

Victory has costed you all strength, victory has defeated you.

again, this post/ topic is about when you have 0 meter and a slower poke. Please talk about the exact scenario of the topic and not if I have meter or not.

 

[Doombawkz]

ronin loses his restand, OH launcher, projectile, and a couple of strings as well....just saying

Ronin has Blade Kall. He can just get his sword back AND it acts as a trap and is multi-hitting so it breaks armor, and it doesn't lose its hitbox randomly if you jab him while its rising, and he still has access to his base kit.

He loses some of his specials, Ferra/Torr loses ALL of their specials AND half of their base kit. Not just strings, entire moves are just deleted from our command list.
Please don't compare losing a few things on your own time to us losing literally half of our entire move list whenever we want to try and apply pressure.

 

[Jaku2011]

Sorry we don't play Ferra / Torr, This is the first time I have heard about it. I always knew of the gap, but never thought about it if I didn't have meter and a slower D1.

If all you Ferra Torr players knew about this then why was this character considered trash since he as always had a pseudo block infinite against slower poking characters? Seems like a damn good tool to me.

lol no one ever considered the character trash. Some top players put them lower on tier lists but no F/T player has ever said the character is bad

 

[HomeLee1121]

Its not about playing, its about playing against them. You guys never bothered to learn about it, and now the moment someone posts a string with a gap which a poke can squeeze into and deny him all of his pressure tools for 32 frames while leaving him negative, or just armor through it, everyone shits the bed.

We did know about it, and its garbage. I always complain at bio not to do b.121xxFerra toss because of the gap, but no one punishes it because no one has learned to do anything about it.

Victory has costed you all strength, victory has defeated you.

does b121 low ferra have a gap? im pretty sure i was told it doesn't. So essentially they are kind of guessing.

Doombawkz i got nothign against you man and you know i loved all ur bane stuff.

Im just more annoyed that when my character had a supposed block infinite, we didn't argue. we agreed and just said make it less plus.

What im getting is just excuses from players that want to play braindead when ur character just received some new buffs....that's just my outlook.

 

[Doombawkz]

again, this post/ topic is about when you have 0 meter and a slower poke. Please talk about the exact scenario of the topic and not if I have meter or not.

Fair enough, then.

16 bit already verified pretty much everyone has an 8f poke, but just to make a point of it...
Name me the character and I'll gladly name you a way out of this terrible excuse for a blockstring.

 

[Maylon]

teleflurry is -2785120274302874109237109857081778423817548109704378103491.

toss isn't.

Faster pokes universally are a great thing. But if they don't even reach far enough to be used in the situations where that matters, then the reduced frames doesn't matter.

I can "insert any other projectile" with "any other char" and it wouldn't change anything... losing that much of your moveset is going to handicap the character for the unspecified duration.

Point is, Pig asked why ferra needs to be plus... and giving ferra time to return seems valid enough. I don't know if +6 is necessary, like i said before they could always speed up ferra's return time

 

[Doombawkz]

does b121 low ferra have a gap? im pretty sure i was told it doesn't. So essentially they are kind of guessing.

Doombawkz i got nothign against you man and you know i loved all ur bane stuff.

Im just more annoyed that when my character had a supposed block infinite, we didn't argue. we agreed and just said make it less plus.

What im getting is just excuses from players that want to play braindead when ur character just received some new buffs....that's just my outlook.

b.121xxlow girl is blocked with the same timing as b.121xx OH toss would be and still getting the punish out because b.121xxOH toss has a large gap inbetween her hitting you where as bowl girl doesn't.
So if you block b.121xxOH toss and plan to punish, you have 0 timing variance.

Good.

This isn't even a supposed block infinite. The video has as much merit as when Qwark posted a video saying "just d.2 Bane out of Venom uppercut". It didn't take into account all of the options.

We've had this since day -1, people will bitch but actual Ferra/Torr players will gladly point out how bad this blockstring actually is.

 

[dennycascade]

Yes it's +6 if you're frame perfect but if you delay the b1 guess what... Your plus frames are gone. Nota block infinite ya morons.
If you want a real lowkey corner block infinite let's talk about goro's b121

 

[Alright RyRy]

Fair enough, then.

16 bit already verified pretty much everyone has an 8f poke, but just to make a point of it...
Name me the character and I'll gladly name you a way out of this terrible excuse for a blockstring.

This is still going to be a good option even after the beta if this stays the way it is now, especially now since you have an EX version that launches. I play Goro for example, I have a great d1 6 frames, if I have no meter that is my only option. If I miss time it and your B121 hits me you can confirm it for a full combo.(Not saying it's broken because I miss timed my d1, but just thought since I only have a 2 frame window to connect. The odds are in your favor in that situation.) I haven't tested this, but I would be surprised if Goro can back dash this.

 

[SylverRye]

9f d1 boyz!!!


Poor liu

Only character with a 9f poke, we have the worst poke in the game, we made it! But seriously this needs to go.

 

[Alright RyRy]

If you want a real low key corner block infinite let's talk about goro's b121

PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS ONE