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just_2swift

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
st9rm said:
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Yeah I learned that NRS listens to the bums that can't punish -28 special moves. Listens to bums who cry about staggers and grab strategy and guaranteed d4 situations but are cool with braindead 50/50s. I still doubt +7 will be in the patch it will likely be +10 and normal hat spin -5 on block.
 
aieches

aieches

#freeHomelee2016
OnlineSkunk said:
Kung Lao may still be viable in certain MUs only, It's terrible against certain characters like Kitana. it's probably 8-2 or 9-1 vs Kitana now :(

Edit: And guess who play Kitana? That's right the most successful player for the past couple of years who knows the KL MU like the palm of his hand, he also attempt every major tournament ;)
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like this has to be a joke right --- i mean like really.... cause not even pre nerf DF Kang vs SR Takeda was 9-1... i mean .. lets not start just getting outlandish here.


yeah the match ups prob al ot worse but i really cant see 9-1
 
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just_2swift

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
DET_BLAKEANATOR said:
If kung lao had the same properties as kitanas fans in buzzsaw that would help that variation so much....but he is supposed to win with 8% overhead low combos -_-
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THIS would be a good buff for him. Won't break him at all because he doesn't hit hard anyways.
 
WiseM0nkey

WiseM0nkey

welcome to the ButtSlam
IrishMantis said:
Throw hatspin 1 breaks Cages armour that's an 11

I think +9 is a good number as he can beat every poke with a mid, but I don't know they nerfed it the first place
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yeah i mean, with 112124 string.

EDIT: yo wait, Hat spin is 19f start up, so i cant set up it properly after a throw. you can wake up and blow me up.

and yes, i hope they at least give him enough plus frames to be able to follow up with b321, +9/10 would be fine.
 
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N00B

N00B

Noob
REASONABLE BUFFS FOR THE GREATEST KUNG LAO IN GENERAL THAT WOULD HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS, WOULD BE FASTER STANDING NORMALS, BUT EX HAT SHOULD BE +10, REG HAT -6. ALL PRESSURE CHARACTERS WITHOUTH MIX UPS SHOULD HAVE GUARANTEED PRESSURE.
IM OK WITH J2 NERF, DAMAGE NERF, THROWS EASY TO TECH NERF, CHIP DAMAGE NERF, ACTUALLY LAO DOESNT HAD RIDICILOUS CHIP LIKE 30% EVEN IF OPPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER, HE HAD 25% CHIP DMG WITH 112124EX HAT.....5 BARS WHEN EX HAT WAS +27 LOL IT WAS GURANTEED AND NOW WITH +12 IF OPPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER HE CAN GET OUT WITH BACKDASH AND WHIFF PUNISH B321 STRING AND B321 HAS A GAP IF YOU DONT KNOW STILL FOR BUT ANYWAY.
HE DOESNT HAVE THE BEST OFFENSE, BEST PRESSURE, BEST DEFFENSE, BEST NEUTRAL EVEN WITH J2 IS NOT BEST, VERY FAST NORMALS E.T.C. KUNG LAO IS NOT BEST IN THE GAME HE HAS BAD MATCH UPS THAT KITANA, JAX, TAKEDA RONIN, SHIRY RYU SONYA DEMO AND BUNCH OF 5-5 MATCHUPS AND NOT TOO MUCH 6-4 MATCHUPS AND ZERO 7-3 MATCHUPS. HE NOT 7-3 NO ONE. AND WOULD BE FAIR BUFFING ALL TRUE LOW TIERS LIKE KENSHI, RAIDEN THAN NERFING KUNG LAO AND MAKING KITANA, JAX, SONYA DEMO, TAKEDA RONIN, SHIRY RYU 7-3 FOR HIM AND 5-5 MAKING 6-4 ITS KINDA UNFAIR. BALANCED GAME SHOULD NOT HAVE 7-3 OR MORE MATCHUPS. MKX SHOULD BE CLASH OF THE TITANS NOT UNFAIR BATTLE OF VERY STRONG VS VERY WEAK OR HOW THAT CALLED ON ENGLISH.




WHY LAO NEEDS FAST NORMALS
1) HE CHARACTER WITHOUTH MIX UPS, I THINK PRESSURE CHARACTERS WITHOUTH MIX UPS SHOULD HAVE FAST NORMALS. EVEN IN BUZZ SAW THAT MIX UPS DOES SO LITTLE DAMAGE COMPARED TO OTHERS VARIATIONS AND HIS EX SPIN IN THIS VARIATION DOES LITTLE DAMAGE TOO, WITH FAST NORMALS THAT LITTLE DAMAGE IN BUZZ SAW WOULD BE DOESNT MATTER TBH.
2) J2 GET NERFED. J2 IS UNIVERSAL MOVE THAT HAS ALL VARIATIONS SO ALL VARIATIONS GETS HIT. THAT MOVE WAS ONE OF THOSE TOOLS THAT COVERS HIS LACK OF FAST NORMALS AND THAT MOVES WAS ONE OF THE BEST NEUTRAL TOOL, HIS NEUTRAL IS WORSE NOW.
3) THATS HELPS TO BUZZ SAW AND HAT TRICK.

OK THATS NORMALS SHOULD BE IMPROVED. OH ALMIGHTY GOD OF BUFFS PLS...
NECESSARY
6 FR S1
8 FR 11
8 FR B1 -4 ON BLOCK
9-10 FR F2 -3 ON BLOCK
13 FR B3
11 FR F4 -6 ON BLOCK
12 FR F3 -5 ON BLOCK
F34 +2 ON BLOCK
FIXES WHIFF PROBLEMS IN B1, B12
REMOVING GAPS IN F23, F34
BUZZ SAW AND HAT TRICK BECAUSE I THINK EVEN FAST NORMALS AND MORE USEFULL STRINGS WOULDNT BE ENOUGH.
NECESSARY
MAYBE +5% DAMAGE BUFF ON EX SPIN ATLEAST FOR BONUS AHA
HAT TRAP NOT DISSAPEAR
REG HAT CALL BACK +1 MAYBE I DONT KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT HAT TRICK TBH


I THINK THAT WOULDNT BE OP BECAUSE ITS NOT A MIX UPS, ITS JUST GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS COME ON. I WANNA SEE VERY GOOD KUNG LAO PLAYERS WINING THE TOURNAMENTS E.T.C. AND NOT ONLY LAO PLAYERS ALSO I WANNA SEE RAIDEN, KENSHI, JOHNNY, SUB, JAX, ERRON AND OTHERS GOOD CHARACTERS EXCEPT YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE AHA LOL. I WANNA SEE KUNG LAO BEING A VERY STRONG CHARACTER IN ALL VARIATIONS LIKE JAX, EQUAL TO JAX. FOR EXAMPLE JAX VARIATIONS IS TOP 5 NOW. I DONT THINK JAX IS OP, MAYBE ONLY SAFE 7 FR ARMORE LAUNCHER... JK LOL. WITH THAT GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS ALL KUNG LAO VARIATIONS WOULD BE EQUAL TO ALL JAX VARIATIONS BUT WITHOUTH SAFE ARMOR AND MIX UPS.

UNECESSARY BUT WOULD BE NICE.
OH F1 -11 ON BLOCK
 
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BrobaChett

BrobaChett

GODSTOMPER
Sorry, I was severely drunk last night, gaiz. I still think he's good. I think Mileena is a pretty solid character now @A F0xy Grampa but I wouldn't know if she is better than tempest. I haven't gotten to fight a solid Mileena yet with KL.
 
xInfra Deadx

xInfra Deadx

Gimmick stolen by Jordan Peele
N00B said:
REASONABLE BUFFS FOR THE GREATEST KUNG LAO IN GENERAL THAT WOULD HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS, WOULD BE FASTER STANDING NORMALS, BUT EX HAT SHOULD BE +10, REG HAT -6. ALL PRESSURE CHARACTERS WITHOUTH MIX UPS SHOULD HAVE GUARANTEED PRESSURE.
IM OK WITH J2 NERF, DAMAGE NERF, THROWS EASY TO TECH NERF, CHIP DAMAGE NERF, ACTUALLY LAO DOESNT HAD RIDICILOUS CHIP LIKE 30% EVEN IF OPPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER, HE HAD 25% CHIP DMG WITH 112124EX HAT.....5 BARS WHEN EX HAT WAS +27 LOL IT WAS GURANTEED AND NOW WITH +12 IF OPPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER HE CAN GET OUT WITH BACKDASH AND WHIFF PUNISH B321 STRING AND B321 HAS A GAP IF YOU DONT KNOW STILL FOR BUT ANYWAY.
HE DOESNT HAVE THE BEST OFFENSE, BEST PRESSURE, BEST DEFFENSE, BEST NEUTRAL EVEN WITH J2 IS NOT BEST, VERY FAST NORMALS E.T.C. KUNG LAO IS NOT BEST IN THE GAME HE HAS BAD MATCH UPS THAT KITANA, JAX, TAKEDA RONIN, SHIRY RYU SONYA DEMO AND BUNCH OF 5-5 MATCHUPS AND NOT TOO MUCH 6-4 MATCHUPS AND ZERO 7-3 MATCHUPS. HE NOT 7-3 NO ONE. AND WOULD BE FAIR BUFFING ALL TRUE LOW TIERS LIKE KENSHI, RAIDEN THAN NERFING KUNG LAO AND MAKING KITANA, JAX, SONYA DEMO, TAKEDA RONIN, SHIRY RYU 7-3 FOR HIM AND 5-5 MAKING 6-4 ITS KINDA UNFAIR. BALANCED GAME SHOULD NOT HAVE 7-3 OR MORE MATCHUPS. MKX SHOULD BE CLASH OF THE TITANS NOT UNFAIR BATTLE OF VERY STRONG VS VERY WEAK OR HOW THAT CALLED ON ENGLISH.




WHY LAO NEEDS FAST NORMALS
1) HE CHARACTER WITHOUTH MIX UPS, I THINK PRESSURE CHARACTERS WITHOUTH MIX UPS SHOULD HAVE FAST NORMALS. EVEN IN BUZZ SAW THAT MIX UPS DOES SO LITTLE DAMAGE COMPARED TO OTHERS VARIATIONS AND HIS EX SPIN IN THIS VARIATION DOES LITTLE DAMAGE TOO, WITH FAST NORMALS THAT LITTLE DAMAGE IN BUZZ SAW WOULD BE DOESNT MATTER TBH.
2) J2 GET NERFED. J2 IS UNIVERSAL MOVE THAT HAS ALL VARIATIONS SO ALL VARIATIONS GETS HIT. THAT MOVE WAS ONE OF THOSE TOOLS THAT COVERS HIS LACK OF FAST NORMALS AND THAT MOVES WAS ONE OF THE BEST NEUTRAL TOOL, HIS NEUTRAL IS WORSE NOW.
3) THATS HELPS TO BUZZ SAW AND HAT TRICK.

OK THATS NORMALS SHOULD BE IMPROVED. OH ALMIGHTY GOD OF BUFFS PLS...
NECESSARY
6 FR S1
8 FR 11
8 FR B1 -4 ON BLOCK
9-10 FR F2 -3 ON BLOCK
13 FR B3
11 FR F4 -6 ON BLOCK
12 FR F3 -5 ON BLOCK
F34 +2 ON BLOCK
FIXES WHIFF PROBLEMS IN B1, B12
REMOVING GAPS IN F23, F34
BUZZ SAW AND HAT TRICK BECAUSE I THINK EVEN FAST NORMALS AND MORE USEFULL STRINGS WOULDNT BE ENOUGH.
NECESSARY
MAYBE +5% DAMAGE BUFF ON EX SPIN ATLEAST FOR BONUS AHA
HAT TRAP NOT DISSAPEAR
REG HAT CALL BACK +1 MAYBE I DONT KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT HAT TRICK TBH


I THINK THAT WOULDNT BE OP BECAUSE ITS NOT A MIX UPS, ITS JUST GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS COME ON. I WANNA SEE VERY GOOD KUNG LAO PLAYERS WINING THE TOURNAMENTS E.T.C. AND NOT ONLY LAO PLAYERS ALSO I WANNA SEE RAIDEN, KENSHI, JOHNNY, SUB, JAX, ERRON AND OTHERS GOOD CHARACTERS EXCEPT YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE AHA LOL. I WANNA SEE KUNG LAO BEING A VERY STRONG CHARACTER IN ALL VARIATIONS LIKE JAX, EQUAL TO JAX. FOR EXAMPLE JAX VARIATIONS IS TOP 5 NOW. I DONT THINK JAX IS OP, MAYBE ONLY SAFE 7 FR ARMORE LAUNCHER... JK LOL. WITH THAT GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS ALL KUNG LAO VARIATIONS WOULD BE EQUAL TO ALL JAX VARIATIONS BUT WITHOUTH SAFE ARMOR AND MIX UPS.

UNECESSARY BUT WOULD BE NICE.
OH F1 -11 ON BLOCK
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WiseM0nkey

WiseM0nkey

welcome to the ButtSlam
N00B said:
REASONABLE BUFFS FOR THE GREATEST KUNG LAO IN GENERAL THAT WOULD HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS, WOULD BE FASTER STANDING NORMALS, BUT EX HAT SHOULD BE +10, REG HAT -6. ALL PRESSURE CHARACTERS WITHOUTH MIX UPS SHOULD HAVE GUARANTEED PRESSURE.
IM OK WITH J2 NERF, DAMAGE NERF, THROWS EASY TO TECH NERF, CHIP DAMAGE NERF, ACTUALLY LAO DOESNT HAD RIDICILOUS CHIP LIKE 30% EVEN IF OPPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER, HE HAD 25% CHIP DMG WITH 112124EX HAT.....5 BARS WHEN EX HAT WAS +27 LOL IT WAS GURANTEED AND NOW WITH +12 IF OPPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER HE CAN GET OUT WITH BACKDASH AND WHIFF PUNISH B321 STRING AND B321 HAS A GAP IF YOU DONT KNOW STILL FOR BUT ANYWAY.
HE DOESNT HAVE THE BEST OFFENSE, BEST PRESSURE, BEST DEFFENSE, BEST NEUTRAL EVEN WITH J2 IS NOT BEST, VERY FAST NORMALS E.T.C. KUNG LAO IS NOT BEST IN THE GAME HE HAS BAD MATCH UPS THAT KITANA, JAX, TAKEDA RONIN, SHIRY RYU SONYA DEMO AND BUNCH OF 5-5 MATCHUPS AND NOT TOO MUCH 6-4 MATCHUPS AND ZERO 7-3 MATCHUPS. HE NOT 7-3 NO ONE. AND WOULD BE FAIR BUFFING ALL TRUE LOW TIERS LIKE KENSHI, RAIDEN THAN NERFING KUNG LAO AND MAKING KITANA, JAX, SONYA DEMO, TAKEDA RONIN, SHIRY RYU 7-3 FOR HIM AND 5-5 MAKING 6-4 ITS KINDA UNFAIR. BALANCED GAME SHOULD NOT HAVE 7-3 OR MORE MATCHUPS. MKX SHOULD BE CLASH OF THE TITANS NOT UNFAIR BATTLE OF VERY STRONG VS VERY WEAK OR HOW THAT CALLED ON ENGLISH.




WHY LAO NEEDS FAST NORMALS
1) HE CHARACTER WITHOUTH MIX UPS, I THINK PRESSURE CHARACTERS WITHOUTH MIX UPS SHOULD HAVE FAST NORMALS. EVEN IN BUZZ SAW THAT MIX UPS DOES SO LITTLE DAMAGE COMPARED TO OTHERS VARIATIONS AND HIS EX SPIN IN THIS VARIATION DOES LITTLE DAMAGE TOO, WITH FAST NORMALS THAT LITTLE DAMAGE IN BUZZ SAW WOULD BE DOESNT MATTER TBH.
2) J2 GET NERFED. J2 IS UNIVERSAL MOVE THAT HAS ALL VARIATIONS SO ALL VARIATIONS GETS HIT. THAT MOVE WAS ONE OF THOSE TOOLS THAT COVERS HIS LACK OF FAST NORMALS AND THAT MOVES WAS ONE OF THE BEST NEUTRAL TOOL, HIS NEUTRAL IS WORSE NOW.
3) THATS HELPS TO BUZZ SAW AND HAT TRICK.

OK THATS NORMALS SHOULD BE IMPROVED. OH ALMIGHTY GOD OF BUFFS PLS...
NECESSARY
6 FR S1
8 FR 11
8 FR B1 -4 ON BLOCK
9-10 FR F2 -3 ON BLOCK
13 FR B3
11 FR F4 -6 ON BLOCK
12 FR F3 -5 ON BLOCK
F34 +2 ON BLOCK
FIXES WHIFF PROBLEMS IN B1, B12
REMOVING GAPS IN F23, F34
BUZZ SAW AND HAT TRICK BECAUSE I THINK EVEN FAST NORMALS AND MORE USEFULL STRINGS WOULDNT BE ENOUGH.
NECESSARY
MAYBE +5% DAMAGE BUFF ON EX SPIN ATLEAST FOR BONUS AHA
HAT TRAP NOT DISSAPEAR
REG HAT CALL BACK +1 MAYBE I DONT KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT HAT TRICK TBH


I THINK THAT WOULDNT BE OP BECAUSE ITS NOT A MIX UPS, ITS JUST GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS COME ON. I WANNA SEE VERY GOOD KUNG LAO PLAYERS WINING THE TOURNAMENTS E.T.C. AND NOT ONLY LAO PLAYERS ALSO I WANNA SEE RAIDEN, KENSHI, JOHNNY, SUB, JAX, ERRON AND OTHERS GOOD CHARACTERS EXCEPT YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE AHA LOL. I WANNA SEE KUNG LAO BEING A VERY STRONG CHARACTER IN ALL VARIATIONS LIKE JAX, EQUAL TO JAX. FOR EXAMPLE JAX VARIATIONS IS TOP 5 NOW. I DONT THINK JAX IS OP, MAYBE ONLY SAFE 7 FR ARMORE LAUNCHER... JK LOL. WITH THAT GENERAL IMPROVEMENTS ALL KUNG LAO VARIATIONS WOULD BE EQUAL TO ALL JAX VARIATIONS BUT WITHOUTH SAFE ARMOR AND MIX UPS.

UNECESSARY BUT WOULD BE NICE.
OH F1 -11 ON BLOCK
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dude, reading your posts it's like getting punched in the balls.

get off that caps lock, damn.
 
Carl

Carl

Mortal
Well it is a beta and nothing is 100% yet. So lets see where this takes us when XL comes out.
Im very happy with lao just hoping the JI2 nerf stays and the rest is history.
 
OnlineSkunk

OnlineSkunk

Mortal
At least bring back old damage scaling, I think there is still some use for the ex hat spin now that it's +50 on hit and that's to confirm 44 without risking a combo drop. The new strategy it's to forget that you actually have an ex hat spin for pressure and save that meter with the hope your opponent panic and jump at you.
 
Big Pampering

Big Pampering

Master
I read on twitter that low hat isnt punishable by cassie anymore. That and a small damage buff is all buzzsaw needs. I hope he gets some stuff to compensate for tempest nerfs.
 
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