Which variation is the most 'useless'?

[TarkatanDentist]

To clarify, I don't mean this in terms of "Which character+variation combination is the least viable in the game?'

Rather, I'm curious as to which variation folks believe adds the least utility to a base character. In layman's terms, of the variations which are scarcely a step up from just picking the 'no variation' version of that character, which provides the least improvement?

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Unbreakable Sub or Unstoppable Jason, probably Unstoppable

 

[Mileena_Monster90]

Unbreakable Sub gets my vote

 

[REO]

Unbreakable has no winning match ups.

Warrior has no winning match ups.

Slasher has no winning match ups.

Unstoppable has no winning match ups.


I believe all other variations in the game at least have one character or variation they beat.

 

[Eldriken]

Unbreakable and Unstoppable need to have their variation names changed to "Unwinnable".

 

[Braindead]

Unbreakable has no winning match ups.

Warrior has no winning match ups.

Slasher has no winning match ups.

Unstoppable has no winning match ups.


I believe all other variations in the game at least have one character or variation they beat.

So Unbreakable vs Unstoppable is a 5-5?

 

[Eldriken]

So Unbreakable vs Unstoppable is a 5-5?

The outcome of that MU would result in a stalemate every single time due to the nature of how bad both of the variations are. Neither can win. huuuuuue

 

[Braindead]

The outcome of that MU would result in a stalemate every single time due to the nature of how bad both of the variations are. Neither can win. huuuuuue

The most fun thing to do in that MU is when Unbreakable parries Jason while he has his super armor up.

 

[REO]

So Unbreakable vs Unstoppable is a 5-5?

After thinking about it more, it's possible that Unbreakable beats Unstoppable, lol. Sub-Zero's core tool set is good against Jason's.

 

[Braindead]

After thinking about it more, it's possible that Unbreakable beats Unstoppable, lol. Sub-Zero's core tool set is good against Jason's.

WE HAVE A WINNING MU

Suck it Eldriken.

 

[ismael4790]

Imo one of the worst variations at the moment in the game is Fisticuffs. Since the nerf, it adds nothing to variationless Johnny, has zero pressure. There's absolutely no matchup where he is a better choice than SD or A-List.

And not only that, it also reduces to the minimum the utility of Cage's best normal, f3. Where the other variations get meterless pressure and blockstrings after it, he only gets f34 meterless as safe option.

So, it's one of those cases where picking no variation is almost the same as picking this particular variation.

#Fistibuffs

 

[Diego de Souza Costa]

So Unbreakable vs Unstoppable is a 5-5?

it's an unwinnable MU, you can't go against the laws of physics..... if one picks unbreak subz, and unstoppable Jason, the dimensional field of the planet will be distorted, a black hole will be created, and it will be, the end of the civilization....

 

[Pterodactyl]

The most fun thing to do in that MU is when Unbreakable parries Jason while he has his super armor up.

Unstoppable Jason doesn't have the super armor.

So it's actually the most stoppable of the 3...

If he had the super armor it'd at least turn him into a DPS race chatacter due to his damage and health buffs and resurrection.

 

[Braindead]

Unstoppable Jason doesn't have the super armor.

So it's actually the most stoppable of the 3...

If he had the super armor it'd at least turn him into a DPS race chatacter due to his damage and health buffs and resurrection.

Lol shit I didn't know that - thought the super armor was a universal move.

 

[Compbros]

Kenjutsu?

 

[Kevin 7]

As someone that has been trying to make Warrior Predator work since day 1. I feel it's fairly safe to say Warrior Predator in it's current state is one of the worst in the game.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Fisticuffs Cage wins against Jason by default simply due to the nature of Cages tools but there is absolutely no reason to pick it over SD and a-list which both are really good. Same w/ Unbreakable Sub.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Unbreakable has no winning match ups.

Warrior has no winning match ups.

Slasher has no winning match ups.

Unstoppable has no winning match ups.


I believe all other variations in the game at least have one character or variation they beat.

I find it hard to believe that Predator's core toolset is as bad as Unstoppable. Unstoppable even takes away one of Jason's strongest tools.

Also who does Spectral win against?

 

[ismael4790]

Fisticuffs Cage wins against Jason by default simply due to the nature of Cages tools but there is absolutely no reason to pick it over SD and a-list which both are really good. Same w/ Unbreakable Sub.

I wouldn't say FC Cage wins at all. Which tools? xD
Fisticuffs is laughable since the nerf, everybody without snorlax reflexes can poke out of speedbag staggers and keep going.

Btw Jason is one of those who can armor through speedbag's gap.
So Jason has better reach, advancing strings, 50/50s, better damage and summarizing better tools than Fisticuffs Cage. Many people still don't realize how BAD this variation is now.

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

Unbreakable, unstoppable, slasher

 

[Braindead]

I find it hard to believe that Predator's core toolset is as bad as Unstoppable. Unstoppable even takes away one of Jason's strongest tools.

Also who does Spectral win against?

People are starting to think that Spectral is actually better than MoS.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I wouldn't say FC Cage wins at all. Which tools? xD
Fisticuffs is laughable since the nerf, everybody without snorlax reflexes can poke out of speedbag staggers and keep going.

Btw Jason is one of those who can armor through speedbag's gap.
So Jason has better reach, advancing strings, 50/50s, better damage and summarizing better tools than Fisticuffs Cage. Many people still don't realize how BAD this variation is now.

D4 fucks jason pretty free. Like if kenshi had johnnys D4 he would automatically beat jason. Jason is free to low profile moves and D4 which is extremely plus on hit gives johnny what he needs to win.

 

[nathancorsini]

Kitana's assassin winning MU? Still trying to figure it out.

 

[ismael4790]

D4 fucks jason pretty free. Like if kenshi had johnnys D4 he would automatically beat jason. Jason is free to low profile moves and D4 which is extremely plus on hit gives johnny what he needs to win.

I have experience in this mathcup and I can tell you it is not bad for Jason.
D4 is godlike if you actually can follow it up with something. In the other two variations d4 on hit leads to free f3 and that has a purpose, because pressure comes after it (cancels, mimics...). In Fisticuffs, as I said up there, you can only follow up f3 with 4 (12% if it hits, and sends the enemy away) or nutpunch (unsafe on block) or exforceball (spending a bar for shit damage). So Fisticuffs does not get anything good or guaranteed after d4. Fisticuffs is not winning this spamming d4s.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I have experience in this mathcup and I can tell you it is not bad for Jason.
D4 is godlike if you actually can follow it up with something. In the other two variations d4 on hit leads to free f3 and that has a purpose, because pressure comes after it (cancels, mimics...). In Fisticuffs, as I said up there, you can only follow up f3 with 4 (12% if it hits, and sends the enemy away) or nutpunch (unsafe on block) or exforceball (spending a bar for shit damage). So Fisticuffs does not get anything good or guaranteed after d4. Fisticuffs is not winning this spamming d4s.

To be clear, im talking about relentless and unstoppable Jason. The way johnnys normals are built completely outclass and snuff out anything Jason tries to do. And btw why can't he win using a lot of d4s? What's stopping him from using it a lot? He can also outzone jason pretty easy. There's not really anywhere on screen where jason has the advantage. Fisticuffs sucks big time but Jason sucks worse.