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She locks down the screen and zones just well as some of the better zoners. This isn't to zone really but as a way to get in. Once she does, it's lights out.
thats like having 4 broken windows out of 10, and instead of fixing the 4 windows, you break the other 6 to matchSo ill just say this again, why not buff the rest of the cast to s tier. Then everybody would be happy
Cage, Kotal, Reptile, Kano, Shinnok, D'Vorah, all have similar footsie tools yet aren't considered S tier. That's just off the top of my head.Let me add to pigs post
Her d4 is 8 frames and +20 on hit. This guarantees her b1 string and sets up her 50/50s
Her ia guns also check any zoner very well. On hit she can run in all day and again set up b1 and 50/50s.
The 2 things pig left out are ia guns and her d4. These make the things pig mentioned even better.
I just played xeno last night offline for 2 hoursThat's actually not true anymore with the current patch. I don't even know if it was possible to hit 55% 1 bar without f34 being special cancable. Highest combo that is possible currently is 46% and that's even from a S4 as a starter as far as I know. I'm curious what combo you're talking about.
Those 6 don't have a 6f reversal special that leads to damage and a reset for moreCage, Kotal, Reptile, Kano, Shinnok, D'Vorah, all have similar footsie tools yet aren't considered S tier. That's just off the top of my head.
I'll admit the instant air guns are an x-factor. If someone can do them as good as SonicFox can on a good day I can see it. But even he can't do it as much as he'd like to I don't think. In the end he picks someone else over Cassie when he needs to win.
F3 db2 121 21u4 4 db2 11 bd3. B212d1+2 bf4mbThat's actually not true anymore with the current patch. I don't even know if it was possible to hit 55% 1 bar without f34 being special cancable. Highest combo that is possible currently is 46% and that's even from a S4 as a starter as far as I know. I'm curious what combo you're talking about.
And Cassie doesn't have a meterless launching overhead like Cage or free jab pressure like Cage off his Superman f21 and a utpunch he doesn't need to meterburn to get massive frame advantage.Those 6 don't have a 6f reversal special that leads to damage and a reset for more
Kind of a big deal
Instant guns are counter zoning tools, good luck as reptile getting balls offAnd Cassie doesn't have a meterless launching overhead like Cage or free jab pressure like Cage off his Superman f21 and a utpunch he doesn't need to meterburn to get massive frame advantage.
Cassie doesn't have 50/50 guessing games built in a 9 frame mid like Kotal or a parry and sun ray to help mitigate zoning.
Cassie doesn't have a anti-zoning tool like D'Vorah, low pokes with no hurtboxes, a launching meterless overhead and mad pressure off her f1.
Cassie doesn't have the mobility, zoning, or 50/50's built in his f21 with meter like Reptile has. Nor can she turn friggin invisible.
Cassie doesn't have the zoning Kano has and his knee is just as fast as Cassie's b1 but also crushes lows.
Cassie doesn't have an end all be all footsie option like Shinnok sparks, nor the zoning, nor the anti-zoning he has with teleport.
Cassie has her stuff she brings to the table that these characters don't with the 6 frame flipkicks. But these characters bring something to the table she doesn't either.
All of these things are kind of a big deal that put them in A tier. (Except Kano)
Pig forgot to reply to this too, she kindda has this 50/50 built in in her 11f b1. "Are you giving me plus frames from my b124 or are you gonna try to armor through it and I'll block your armor and punish?"Cassie doesn't have 50/50 guessing games built in a 9 frame mid like Kotal or a parry and sun ray to help mitigate zoning.
We've both made our case. She has great tools but not enough for me to say she's Quan Chi, Tanya, Tremor class. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.Instant guns are counter zoning tools, good luck as reptile getting balls off
Cassie f3 and angle 1 flip kick is actually better than cage overhead
Cassie doesn't need to turn invisible because u can't see her 50/50 already - hence I guess she is invisible
Kano? Dude...
B1 and shinnok Sparks are both pretty oppressive
Just to add a last jab Cassie beats Tanya Quan tremorWe've both made our case. She has great tools but not enough for me to say she's Quan Chi, Tanya, Tremor class. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Kotal b122 mixed with b1~command throw is a pure guess with b122 being a completely safe option against most of the cast and htt confirmable into more damage if need be. Cassie has to get almost point blank to get her 50/50 going. Kotal just has to get close. And yes the swords work pretty well in War God despite how gimmicky they are.Pig forgot to reply to this too, she kindda has this 50/50 built in in her 11f b1. "Are you giving me plus frames from my b124 or are you gonna try to armor through it and I'll block your armor and punish?"
EDIT: Unless you were talking about literal 50/50s with War God. I assumed you were talking about Sun God and tick throw mixups off the b1.
Why?Just to add a last jab Cassie beats Tanya Quan tremor
I know you know this since you play the character, but just saying that's not why Reptile goes invisible, you can't react to his 50/50 either, if Cassie had EX invisibility cancels she would be in a tier of her ownCassie doesn't need to turn invisible because u can't see her 50/50 already - hence I guess she is invisible
Ok so Cassie doesn't have EVERYTHING good that every single other top tier characters has, and none of those characters have EVERYTHING that Cassie has. Cassie is up there for her own reasons and the fact that she just has so much herself. Plus some of the stuff you mentioned here is just a bit unrealistic. At best, some of the things you mentioned are just different, not even better than hers, Shinnoks footsies for example in fact they its just flat worse than CassiesAnd Cassie doesn't have a meterless launching overhead like Cage or free jab pressure like Cage off his Superman f21 and a utpunch he doesn't need to meterburn to get massive frame advantage.
Cassie doesn't have 50/50 guessing games built in a 9 frame mid like Kotal or a parry and sun ray to help mitigate zoning.
Cassie doesn't have a anti-zoning tool like D'Vorah, low pokes with no hurtboxes, a launching meterless overhead and mad pressure off her f1.
Cassie doesn't have the mobility, zoning, or 50/50's built in his f21 with meter like Reptile has. Nor can she turn friggin invisible.
Cassie doesn't have the zoning Kano has and his knee is just as fast as Cassie's b1 but also crushes lows.
Cassie doesn't have an end all be all footsie option like Shinnok sparks, nor the zoning, nor the anti-zoning he has with teleport.
Cassie has her stuff she brings to the table that these characters don't with the 6 frame flipkicks. But these characters bring something to the table she doesn't either.
All of these things are kind of a big deal that put them in A tier. (Except Kano)
Ok I'll help explain my side
She has 50/50 55% 1 bar combos in the corner
She can make any 50/50 safe w ex flip
6f flip kick punishes things no other character can other than buzz saw Lao except he needs meter she doesn't . Characters w safe pressure like reptile f412 db2/ or reptile b34 get rekt by flip kick. Free non meter reversal launcher into reset
If you ever jump at her u will die either on cross up or straight jumps because of her 6f aa flip kick that leads into 50/50
B124 is superman pre patch f23
7f d3
F34 and f33 can only be punished by 3 of the cast. Cassie Lao and reptile
F34 and f33 and angle 1 guessing game is dumb and are all 50/50 strings that can be made safe w ex flip . This is stupid
Flip kick punishes d1/d4s in the game into a reset combo
212d1+2 is a safe hit comfortable large damage combo starter . If blocked u can build 2/3 a bar and spend a bar by doing 212d1+2 ex gun that jails and hits u on block for 14-16% . This is Aquaman trident rush all over again. This is fucked up
One of the fastest runs
Great walk speed
She also can end combos early w b1 nut punch that is broken because it gives ex but punch frame data on hit allowing guaranteed all options and a jump in
Ending combos w up kick does a quick restand that disables wake ups
I'm now barfing as I type this garbage
This character is F'ed up
@Slips let it be known when the Cassie community biggest bitch fest is "oh god we need stamina for combos " u know that's a sign your character is broke. That's like mk9 cyrax fans saying "damn bro we need to land net "
B122 with kotal into command grab.Kotal b122 mixed with b1~command throw is a pure guess with b122 being a completely safe option against most of the cast and htt confirmable into more damage if need be. Cassie has to get almost point blank to get her 50/50 going. Kotal just has to get close. And yes the swords work pretty well in War God despite how gimmicky they are.
No I agree, I am not saying these tools are better than Cassie's, but they are good and are at least on par or comparable to value them over hers.I know you know this since you play the character, but just saying that's not why Reptile goes invisible, you can't react to his 50/50 either, if Cassie had EX invisibility cancels she would be in a tier of her own
Ok so Cassie doesn't have EVERYTHING good that every single other top tier characters has, and none of those characters have EVERYTHING that Cassie has. Cassie is up there for her own reasons and the fact that she just has so much herself. Plus some of the stuff you mentioned here is just a bit unrealistic. At best, some of the things you mentioned are just different, not even better than hers, Shinnoks footsies for example in fact they its just flat worse than Cassies
Ok thank you.
Yea she does a lot of damage in the corner...a lot of characters do and are not S tier for it.
6 frame punisher is awesome. Definitely a tool that separates her from the rest of the cast. No argument here.
Flip kick is a better than average AA. I agree.
b124 is really good, but a lot of characters have their own version of Superman f21 and hers is not good on whiff. Despite having that tool she still has to play most other her opponent's game first.
Having a fast d3 is nice but that's not what makes a character S tier. A lot of characters have 7 frame pokes.
Having a safe overhead is nice but again that's not a huge deal. There are plenty of character that not only have safe overheads, but safe overheads that launch (Jax, Cage, Jacqui, Kung Jin, D'Vorah, Reptile, Kano, Sonya) and they are not considered S tier.
Having a 50/50 which requires meter to be safe again is not something exclusive to Cassie. Jax, Sonya Jacqui, Scorpion, Kano, Reptile, D'Vorah, Erron Black and Quan have this too. Some don't even require meter at all yet only Quan is considered S tier. And most of these character do more damage with their 50/50's midscreen.
Cassie being able to punish low pokes with flip kick on block I'd say was a pretty big deal before the option select was taken out. If a Cassie player does this to you, then they deserve props cause that is a hard read with significant risk attached to it on her end.
I'd rather take her 16% chip than eat her 50/50. A great round ender but nobody is raging about her spending a bar to get 16% chip. Trident Rush was great in contrast of Aquaman's other tools and Injustice's design as a whole. Not just Trident rush alone.
Having good walk speed and run is pretty essential for her considering she has to get in.
Yes she can end her combos early with a meterless nutpunch for guaranteed 50/50 but she loses out on a lot of damage. It's lower 20%. Red Raptor was the first to discover this and I played his Cassie a decent amount.
I didn't know about the quick restand, I'll look at it.
Out of all of these points the main thing that really makes her special is her flip kick. She's one of the best punishers in the game and her corner game is stupid. That's what puts her in A tier. Everything else you mentioned are tools that a bunch of other characters have and are lucky to be considered A tier even if they have them.
Also, lets keep in mind you are trying to blow me up for saying she's A tier and not S tier. Am I really being that ridiculous?
As a person who plays raiden, i literally cant touch cassie. she can low poke me forever, if i try a b11 or f2 to try and catch her not blocking and she blocks she can whiff punish for full combo, f4 just gets d1 AA, and b32 lightning string if anywhere other then slightly inside max distance gets b1 into full combo or ex guns if outside the rangeYou forgot the 3rd most important tool she has, after b12 and flip kick.
Fucked up hitbox. As a Goro player its annoying as hell doing d1xxSG in the corner, POINT BLANK and then, watching miss Cage avoid SG blocking while crouching. Just another thing to think about. Her hitbox/hurtbox needs re-adjustment.
Imo, on paper, Cassie is even better than Temp KL. In action, i believe as well, she is top 5. Dunno about top 3, but top 5 for sure.
My current top 3 NPO are:
1) KJ Tanya.
2) Tempest Kung Lao.
3) HQT Predator and Crystaline Tremor, compete for 3rd place. Crystaline is fucked up. Once his armor trait is up, you literally cannot stop him from attacking and he can punish strings and specials that are unpunishable.
Other notable mentions are: Liu Kang and Johnny Cage. Jax is a close call as well.