Name your top 5 MKX Characters in order & List one hypothetical Nerf for each

[Pig Of The Hut]

1. Lao Tempest
8-9 second cool down on hat after using ex hat orbit

Reason: removes brain dead endless meter building/pressure/chip

Promotes better play

2. Tanya Kobu
Must commit to delayed rekka for all or fast rekka for all
(Although b1 should be a high and not 9f i.e.: raiden, tremor, Erron)

Reason: Removes endless well of possibilities of pressure offense w little consequence

Forces better play

3. Quan Chi summoner
When summoning bat and having opponent in trance at same time the bat summon releases you but Quan is +2

Reason: keeps him plus but release the opponent further releasing insane near unblockable loops that not one person likes in the game other than Quan mains


4. Cassie Cage Hollywood
212d1+2 string is -11

Reason: gives her a string finally entire cast can punish. Oh my god she now has a consequence (can make safe w ex flip )

5. Liu Kang dragon Fire
DF cancels have adjusted frames to make not as + (currently don't have his xx frames memorized by @Derptile can help) more interested in what derptile would recommend

Reason: No one likes Kabal and no one like this crap

Post yours for fun and discussion

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

1. Shinnok
Remove from the game.

2. Shinnok
Remove from the game.

3. Shinnok
Remove from the game.

4. Shinnok
Remove from the game.

5. Superman
Can't nerf Superman.

 

[jharris]

i agree with yours but would change quans to nerf to making the bat a mid

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

I don't think any of the top characters need nerfs but I will list my top 5,
1 Jax
2 shinnok
3 Kung Lao
4 Tanya
5 Quan Chi

 

[The Celebrity]

1. Tempest Lao
- Make EX Spin suck the player in on block similar to what it does on hit, making it very very easy to full combo punish for every character

2. Summoner Quan
- Make EX Rune +7

3. Bonershaper
- Make D1 8 frames instead of 6 or Less cancel frames on D4

4. Kobu Jitsu Tanyer
- Remove "delaying rekkas = less negative on block". They should be consistent. If its too big of a nerf, give her back invincible frames on her teleport (she should have them, an invisible air dash is retarded)

5. Cassie Cage Hollywood
- B212D(1+2) has less pushback on block making B212D(1+2)xxFlip Kick hit and be punishable.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

i agree with yours but would change quans to nerf to making the bat a mid

That may kill him

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I don't think any of the top characters need nerfs but I will list my top 5,
1 Jax
2 shinnok
3 Kung Lao
4 Tanya
5 Quan Chi

That's fair too but offers no juice to squeeze

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

1. Tempest Lao
- Make EX Spin suck the player in on block similar to what it does on hit, making it very very easy to full combo punish for every character

2. Summoner Quan
- Make EX Rune +7

3. Bonershaper
- Make D1 8 frames instead of 6 or Less cancel frames on D4

4. Kobu Jitsu Tanyer
- Remove "delaying rekkas = less negative on block". They should be consistent. If its too big of a nerf, give her back invincible frames on her teleport (she should have them, an invisible air dash is retarded)

5. Cassie Cage Hollywood
- B212D(1+2) has less pushback on block making B212D(1+2)xxFlip Kick hit and be punishable.

The Lao suggestion is veryyyyy common

Good one

 

[Derptile]

More of a top 6 really, in no order

1. Predator

2. D'Vorah

3. Quan Chi

4. Kung Lao

5. Cassie Cage

6. Rooo Kang

And Liu Kang's frame data on FBRCs are

Spoiler

F213: +14
F44: +8
112: About +10
B34: About +10
B12: 0
B33: +7
And his D3 is +2 on block, and Flying kick MB is +2

I don't think anyone besides Quan Chi decides real nerfs, since Quan chi is retard-status/10

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

1. Lao Tempest
8-9 second cool down on hat after using ex hat orbit

2. Tanya Kobu
Must commit to delayed rekka for all or fast rekka for all
(Although b1 should be a high and not 9f i.e.: raiden, tremor, Erron)

3. Quan Chi summoner
When summoning bat and having opponent in trance at same time the bat summon releases you but Quan is +2


4. Cassie Cage Hollywood
212d1+2 string is -11

5. Liu Kang dragon Fire
DF cancels have adjusted frames to make not as + (currently don't have his xx frames memorized by @Derptile can help) more interested in what derptile would recommend

Post yours for fun and discussion

If you make his fireball cancels less plus for example f213 plus 6, then that would make his other true block strings plus 2 and all his other cancels negative. It would also mean that I can STILL have the same problem vs 6 of the cast and do unlimited pressure pretty much. If you just nerf his f213 string yet again then it will again hurt his other 2 variations. His cancels aren't the problem and totally unfair making the lk community relearn him yet again for no reason as it isn't the issue. Making his flying kick meter burn into neutral on block is a much better and sensible idea. Or maybe push back? But 0 on block much better

 

[Scott The Scot]

1. Tempest Lao
Regular hat spin is now -10 from -3

Reason: he shouldn't get to cancel in to hat spin from anything, and be safe on block or hitconfirm into a combo.

2. Summon Quan Chi
Cannot attack when using the bat (Includes jumping)

Reason: People might actually use the bat for zoning, instead of hard-to-blockables.

3. Hollywood Cassie Cage
EX Flip is now -13 instead of -12

Reason: Now people can punish it with a 12 frame normal.

4. Hish-Qu-Ten Predator
Add 10 recovery frames to all laser attacks

Reason: It's way too hard to punish something that's like -8 or whatever, it's hard to input a reversal after it every time.

5. Kobu Jutsu Tanya
EX Tonfa Throw no longer jails on any character from any string/normal

Reason: Tonfa toss wouldn't be abused as a pressure/mixup/chip tool but rather it'd be used to win trades when in a zoning war.

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

That's fair too but offers no juice to squeeze

Well I think the problems from the balance in the game come from the bottom characters *cough kenshi cough* desperately needing to be buffed

 

[jharris]

That may kill him

surely only takes away the very hard to blockables?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

If you make his fireball cancels less plus for example f213 plus 6, then that would make his other true block strings plus 2 and all his other cancels negative. It would also mean that I can STILL have the same problem vs 6 of the cast and do unlimited pressure pretty much. If you just nerf his f213 string yet again then it will again hurt his other 2 variations. His cancels aren't the problem and totally unfair making the lk community relearn him yet again for no reason as it isn't the issue. Making his flying kick meter burn into neutral on block is a much better and sensible idea. Or maybe push back? But 0 on block much better

Fair enough thx for the idea

It's why I Ask

 

[ragnar0kz28]

I like yours @Pig Of The Hut maybe adding a gap after Liu Kangs b1 the followup should be armor able.

PD: buff kitana assassin

 

[Arzumis]

1.Tempest Lao
Only one spin Can be used in a combo. Similar to how buzzsaw cant ex spin and spin in one combo.

2.Summoner Quan Chi
5 second cooldown on bat after use. Add autoblock to db2 so he cant combo after it with a bat.

3.Kobu Jutsu Tanya
Make rekka delay way more obvious

4.Dragon Fire Liu Kang
Reduce frame advantage on cancels

Cant think of a 5th

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

More of a top 6 really, in no order

1. Predator

2. D'Vorah

3. Quan Chi

4. Kung Lao

5. Cassie Cage

6. Rooo Kang

And Liu Kang's frame data on FBRCs are

Spoiler

F213: +14
F44: +8
112: About +10
B34: About +10
B12: 0
B33: +7
And his D3 is +2 on block, and Flying kick MB is +2

I don't think anyone besides Quan Chi decides real nerfs, since Quan chi is retard-status/10

Predator being #1 is interesting can u provide some insight ?

I've been using him recently and feel he still has issues

 

[Skedar70]

Kung Lao

Quan Chi.

I feel like they build too much meter. Mostly Lao, adjust his meter building.

I don't feel bad against any of the rest of the cast. I feel they are pretty fair, haven't dealt with a good Tanya though.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I dont want to nerf anyone but for the sake of fun discussion, here goes.
1. Temp Lao- regular orbiting hat is -8 on block. Still safe sometimes but -3 is dumb its a fucking option select basically. Raiden cant have em lao cant.
2. Summoner quan- overall damage reduction
3. Sorcerer quan-^
4. HW cassie- ex flip kick is full combo punishable
5. Tanya kobu- b1 is a high, or if it must remain a mid it becomes 10 frames.
I want to see LK dragons fire fly kick mb 0 on block. It would keep him from totally locking you down, and it wouldnt hurt his cancels.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Shinnok isn't top 5

 

[cR Xarakamaka]

1.Tempest Lao
Only one spin Can be used in a combo. Similar to how buzzsaw cant ex spin and spin in one combo.

2.Summoner Quan Chi
5 second cooldown on bat after use. Add autoblock to db2 so he cant combo after it with a bat.

3.Kobu Jutsu Tanya
Make rekka delay way more obvious

4.Dragon Fire Liu Kang
Reduce frame advantage on cancels

Cant think of a 5th

Read what I said before lol .

 

[Tokiwartoothxdk]

1: Kung lao Tempest
normal hat spin from -3 to -7

2: cassie
Make ex flip kick unsafe or make b1 13 frames

3:Quan chi Summoner
make low bat mid(get fucked)

4: Predator HQT
add a frame or to to blocked low laser and wiffed high laser

5:Erron Black
Make the first 3 hits of 21122 high or a more logical nerf, Make overhead dropkick have little to no block stun

 

[Doctor Rektangle]

1. Tempest Lao

Nerf: 7 second cool down on hat after EX hat orbit.

2. Shinnok:

d1 7 frames or something with sparks tracking.

3. Summoner Quan Chi

Since strings usually can't be nerfed in 1 variation only. I guess having the hard to blockable counted as mid window widened.

4. Liu "Mix Tape" Fire Kang

Loosen up those framez. If scorpion can't have it neither can you.

5. Kobo Jutsu
I'll trade you for that Xenoraka to come early.

But seriously. First part of b1 being high would be dope or make it 10-11 frames. Don't think you need both at same time.

 

[Braindead]

Predator being #1 is interesting can u provide some insight ?

I've been using him recently and feel he still has issues

He said in no order

 

[The Celebrity]

Shinnok isn't top 5

Why? He is a character with 0 losing matchups (as far as I know) and several 6-4s. How can a character like that not be Top 5? And before you say there are a lot of characters with no losing matchups... Name them, there's right around 5.