Street Fighter Producer Ono Says Censorship in SFV Was Internally Influenced

[FL Rushdown]

Basically, don't try change things cause they don't fall in line with your beliefs. Go support something which does and just ignore the things that don't.

I wouldn't go that far, but if no ones rights are being taken away or infringed on then let it rock. If the speech isn't dangerous hate speech let it rock.

But I guess that's a decent summary in most everyday situations.

 

[Johnny San]

First it's Fatal Frame 5 replacing lewd costumes in the West.
Then it's Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 not being released in the West.
Now its removing Mika booty.

Time to learn Taiwanese.

 

[trufenix]

Honestly? From a business perspective it's different than a moral one, and on morality there's a pretty wide range of varying philosophies. I personally wouldn't do anything with the INTENT(I think intent is the most important part here) to offend, but if my actions do offend someone I judge it situation to situation.

You're over thinking it. This has nothing to do with morality or philosophy. It's about making a game people want to play. If Capcom thinks removing Mika's ass slap will make more people want to play it, they should do it.

We can argue the morality of ass slaps in fighting games until we're blue in the face, but the bottom line is keeping it will turn off gamers, removing it will harm no one.

 

[Tertian]

i think the general removal of these things are for multiple reasons (mostly business related).
- broaden their audience (increase sales)
- reduce sexual appeal as a crutch
- it might offend someone

while I agree that they should try and reduce over-sexualization as a crutch in their video game, i think its odd that they chose to remove two instances (r.mika butt slap/cammy crotch shot), while tons of other examples exist (sentient boobs, ass hunger outfits, double butt smash etc...)

Also just an fyi, anyone who complains about the censorship/removal (that has no bearing on the gameplay) just comes off as a desperate horny teenager.

 

[WidowPuppy]

We can argue the morality of ass slaps in fighting games until we're blue in the face, but the bottom line is keeping it will turn off gamers

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[LeoMK29]

 

[Tony at Home]

So they clearly state that the decision was entirely internal and out of their desire to shape the game, and not influenced by external pressure.

....why are people still raging? It was Capcom's call. Stop blaming it on your favorite interwebz strawmans.

 

[scarsunseen]

The feminist movement loves to focus on things that guys like that have no effect on them instead of actually tackling feminist issues.

Peope wonder why laughs at feminism.

Well, women don't like to be objectified... hurrrr. I'd like a fighting game where two dudes slap dicks together, but that won't happen. Again, hurrrrrr.

I love you,
ScarsUnseen

 

[Tertian]

Well, women don't like to be objectified... hurrrr. I'd like a fighting game where two dudes slip dicks together, but that won't happen. Again, hurrrrrr.

I love you,
ScarsUnseen

I agree, i think i'll start a petition to get zangiefs intro changed to him briefly groping his junk while learing at his opponent.

 

[portent]

Well, women don't like to be objectified... hurrrr. I'd like a fighting game where two dudes slip dicks together, but that won't happen. Again, hurrrrrr.

I love you,
ScarsUnseen

Watch any WWE event. Most of the Divas objectify themselves. R. Mika is a wrestler and is doing nothing different than any of the WWE Divas with her outfit and butt slap. She's a female pro wrestler, and Capcom should have continued to allow her to act like one.

If objectification is a problem, then why aren't you speaking up about "Hot Ryu"? Why is there no problem with Zangief wearing nothing but boots and a speedo?

 

[VenomX-90]

Dammit...

 

[haketh]

It wasn't censorship read a dictionary

 

[juicepouch]

Watch any WWE event. Most of the Divas objectify themselves. R. Mika is a wrestler and is doing nothing different than any of the WWE Divas with her outfit and butt slap. She's a female pro wrestler, and Capcom should have continued to allow her to act like one.

If objectification is a problem, then why aren't you speaking up about "Hot Ryu"? Why is there no problem with Zangief wearing nothing but boots and a speedo?

How do you know scars isn't upset with how women are objectified in wrestling?

 

[QueenOmega]

Are they real issues in gaming though. Male characters are sexualised as well a lot of the time as well. But by any means games are generally created for men by men because thats where the demand for games from, though its changing a little.

There is a lot of stuff i feel they change 'cos feminism' where they could be focusing their efforts on something actually worthwhile. A lot of campaigning for pointless debatable equality while completely ignoring issues effecting many many more women in a very large way.

Modern feminism is a complete joke.

I think you get this wrong. Mostly males play games because they are hinted to males, i don't really think it is the other way around.

 

[TopTierHarley]

First it's Fatal Frame 5 replacing lewd costumes in the West.
Then it's Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 not being released in the West.
Now its removing Mika booty.

Time to learn Taiwanese.

Sad time for waifus

 

[Afk Skinny]

Can we feel uncomfortable about Gief flaunting his glorious physique, so they can take him out of the game?

 

[portent]

How do you know scars isn't upset with how women are objectified in wrestling?

You're right. Scars could very well be. The part of her post about wanting to see a game where characters slap dicks is kind of counter to that though. That's why I questioned about why there's no problem with Hot Ryu or Zangief's attire.

 

[Vaiist]

I feel like this belongs here:

 

[Tertian]

Watch any WWE event. Most of the Divas objectify themselves. R. Mika is a wrestler and is doing nothing different than any of the WWE Divas with her outfit and butt slap. She's a female pro wrestler, and Capcom should have continued to allow her to act like one.

If objectification is a problem, then why aren't you speaking up about "Hot Ryu"? Why is there no problem with Zangief wearing nothing but boots and a speedo?

Yeah, there is definitely something wrong with wwe divas, first the fact that they're called divas, thats like wwe having a specific group of men calling themselves the "wwe hunks" , (and yes just because they objectify themselves doesn't mean its ok)

"hot ryu" is just shirtless, the focus isn't sexual, same with zangief, the equivalent would be "hot ryu" circling his nipple with one finger during his intro or zangielf lightly groping his crotch while learing at his opponent.

 

[portent]

Yeah, there is definitely something wrong with wwe divas, first the fact that they're called divas, thats like wwe having a specific group of men calling themselves the "wwe hunks" , (and yes just because they objectify themselves doesn't mean its ok)

"hot ryu" is just shirtless, the focus isn't sexual, same with zangief, the equivalent would be "hot ryu" circling his nipple with one finger during his intro or zangielf lightly groping his crotch while learing at his opponent.

I disagree. If a woman can be objectified simply by the nature of her attire, so can a man. As such, even the nickname Hot Ryu implies a certain level of sex appeal in the character.

 

[Tertian]

I disagree. If a woman can be objectified simply by the nature of her attire, so can a man. As such, even the name nickname Hot Ryu implies a certain level of sex appeal in the character.

I would agree if it was based on attire alone, but when you add things like a suggestive ass slap or a mulitude of, basically, "up-skirt" camera angles focusing on lady bits then thats different.

Another example is chun-li hyper animated breasts, you dont see zangiefs package flailing about like it has a mind of its own.

 

[scarsunseen]

You're right. Scars could very well be. The part of her post about wanting to see a game where characters slap dicks is kind of counter to that though. That's why I questioned about why there's no problem with Hot Ryu or Zangief's attire.

I'm not saying that objectification is necessarily good or bad, but it should be FAIR. If you want lady asses smacking each other, I wanna see dicks smacking each other. I don't think Ryu is hot because I don't like manly men. Sexual orientation is subjective, but again, sexual objectification should be fair, at least in my opinion. Everyone objectifies everyone else they're attracted to. That's just how people are. Just portray it fairly.

Big boobie MK9 Sonya and toiler-paper-wearing MK9 Mileena were stupid. I'm glad females are portrayed better in MKX.

 

[portent]

I would agree if it was based on attire alone, but when you add things like a suggestive ass slap or a mulitude of, basically, "up-skirt" camera angles focusing on lady bits then thats different.

Another example is chun-li hyper animated breasts, you dont see zangiefs package flailing about like it has a mind of its own.

The suggestive ass slap is no different than a "kiss my ass" by slapping your ass. I mean, the very next move is a double butt slam by her and her tag partner. It would be entirely different if she slapped her ass and then did a suplex. The meaning of the ass slap is because the move involves a butt slam.

Chun has historically had large breasts. Women in sports wear sports bras to keep them strapped down the best they can, but even that can't stop them from moving. Does that make them objects as well? Chun's clothing is completely appropriate in her standard costume. She's completely covered.

Cammy's original intro had an every so slight upward angle that was mostly obscured by her leg. Again, she's completely covered and Capcom made sure that we couldn't see anything in outlines.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying objectification is good. I'm saying that there's got to be a line where it's ridiculous to edit something out that was completely harmless.

 

[portent]

I'm not saying that objectification is necessarily good or bad, but it should be FAIR. If you want lady asses smacking each other, I wanna see dicks smacking each other. I don't think Ryu is hot because I don't like manly men. Sexual orientation is subjective, but again, sexual objectification should be fair, at least in my opinion. Everyone objectifies everyone else they're attracted to. That's just how people are. Just portray it fairly.

Big boobie MK9 Sonya and toiler-paper-wearing MK9 Mileena were stupid. I'm glad females are portrayed better in MKX.

Well said.

 

[Poto2222]

out of curiosity, what made you feel uncomfortable about it?

Well, a few weeks ago one of the topics of UltraChenTV was Mika's buttslap being removed and the whole "sexy-character" thing in fighting games, and I think @UltraDavid hit the nail on the head at 12:30.

But not only that, throughout the whole discussion they made some really good points, so I'd definitely recommend watching it to the end.

I remember playing the second phase of the beta while my brother-in-law was watching some of the matches. Since I was playing Mika, it was hella awkward. From time to time he would say things like "Wow, this game is totally targeted to teenage perverts, right?", and all I could say was "Yeah, it surely looks like that's the case." because, honestly, I can't think of any other reason why they would do that. And then I remember using her Critical Art... "Awkward" doesn't even describe that moment.

It was a weird day.