Ruthless has an 11f grab, but I'll concede that those punishes aren't great, ruthless is the way to go for punishing these days.F2 is 15f and b2 is 19f startup, neither of those are like 10frames and they are in fact slow, especially for punishing.
Lol bottom 5 in this game would probably beat most of the TOP 5 from Mk9.One thing for sure and I know this is not really fair to compare, but I say bottom 5 of this game would beat bottom 5 off MK9
Read my post i specifically mentioned my argument on variation matchups vs character matchups. Not trying to say your wrong but just read what i wrote. Ruthles ft is far and away from bottom 5 with new png and lackey is my bottom 6 because grapplers dont play mkx but he gets punish damage with ex tor up so he isnt as bad as vicious.Thats not how the character works though, if you play all three variations of Ferra Torr we probably only lose to two characters. Any one tool a variation is lacking for a match up is covered by one of the other ones.
you can get around 38% off of B2 and 36% off of F2, even more if you decide to put meter into it. and get a solid 36 or 37% i believe off of a EN teleportyou can get around 30-35% for a b2,b2,b2 starter and ending with a standing4~tele it ends with a standing reset where scorpion is plus, or you could end with the low,mid,overhead string and get slightly more like 1-3% i think (i forget the inputs right now) which isn't bad, not saying it is. I played a little ninjutsu on launch because i played scorpion in mk9 and really like the character. And i tried him again recently, he isn't bad. But i feel like most the cast outclasses this variation in particular
are you implying that I'm a bottom 5 character or that you want my list?
i'd like to know the combo you're doing then, mine is b2,b2,b2 jik~tele, 21~spear, S4~tele 33% and ending with the reset. f2 is the same thing, just starting with f2 instead of b2, i think that's like 34 or 35 or something. And i find those hard to land simply because whiffs are uncommon in my experience and i find it more practical to start combos with 11~spear as a punish on unsafe blocked attacks, which that combo looks something like 11~spear, b2,b2,b2 jik, 21~spear with will end with the knockdown and deal something like 27-29 i don't remember off the top of my head.you can get around 38% off of B2 and 36% off of F2, even more if you decide to put meter into it. and get a solid 36 or 37% i believe off of a EN teleport
You put Mileena in your bottom 5 list yet she has better tournament success than over half the cast, with MULTIPLE variations. The others you could argue based on results but Mileena you just can't.Also these people clamoring and bitching that this isn't a bottom 5 variation list. Got news for you, the reason why this is probably an overall character bottom 5 list is that each of the 5 have ZERO variations that are tournament viable in the game
I'm really sorry for all you Hat Trick,
lasher, Spectral, etc mains out there.
Let me shed a tear for you guys because you guys don't have a variation for your character either that's tournament viable
Oh wait
Tempest
Royal storm
MOS
Ronin/Ryu
Yes that's right now STFU
after patch, she's a useless bitch! idk what the hell they've done to her!Saltface feels shes solid mid, i have no idea how people feels shes bottom
They didn't really do much to her. She certainly didn't get worse.after patch, she's a useless bitch! idk what the hell they've done to her!
do 123 teleport b2 b2 run cancel 21 spear JIP S4 teleport, i believe that is about 39 or 40% also starting with B2 you can get in 4 B2s, and 35% off a F2 sounds about righti'd like to know the combo you're doing then, mine is b2,b2,b2 jik~tele, 21~spear, S4~tele 33% and ending with the reset. f2 is the same thing, just starting with f2 instead of b2, i think that's like 34 or 35 or something. And i find those hard to land simply because whiffs are uncommon in my experience and i find it more practical to start combos with 11~spear as a punish on unsafe blocked attacks, which that combo looks something like 11~spear, b2,b2,b2 jik, 21~spear with will end with the knockdown and deal something like 27-29 i don't remember off the top of my head.
This is just a for fun character to me, i do enjoy him but i still feel like he is weak compared to other mid tier and of course the high tier characters. Putting him in the bottom five was probably wrong, but i don't think he's anywhere above the middle of mid tier. Course he can still do very well when piloted by a good player. This is all just my opinion from what i can personally do with the character
I just don't think Ferra Torr or anyone should be looked at that way in this game, there are variations for a reasonRead my post i specifically mentioned my argument on variation matchups vs character matchups. Not trying to say your wrong but just read what i wrote. Ruthles ft is far and away from bottom 5 with new png and lackey is my bottom 6 because grapplers dont play mkx but he gets punish damage with ex tor up so he isnt as bad as vicious.
If u know something I don't w Kenshi plz help me outI don't think there is a bottom 5 for tourney viability as much as there is a bottom 5 for character knowledge, knowing what they're capable of and proper representation.
Especially after the last patch.
Yea that's true and Saltface even told me she isn't bottom 5You put Mileena in your bottom 5 list yet she has better tournament success than over half the cast, with MULTIPLE variations. The others you could argue based on results but Mileena you just can't.
Cybernetic knives? This list is abysmal.Top 5 Best Projectiles: (From Least to greatest)
5) Johnny Cage Forceballs (A-List and Fisticuffs)
4) Kitana Fans
3) Cutthroat and Commando Kano Knives
2) Hish Qu-Ten Predator Laz0rs
1) Cybernetic Kano Knives
Frost.I couldn't think of any more
Uuuuuuh his projectiles aren't bad and his specials that you'd use outside of combos aren't punishable.Slow strings, bad projectile, huge hitbox, all his specials are punishable. He does have great pokes and a really fast command grab plus multi hit armor on punchwalk is nice . its not impossible to win with him by any means, but its an uphill battle in almost every fight. He is below average overall. But pretty fun to play.