Who do you think is Bottom 5?

[CoolChameleon]

Damn, it hurts to see everyone lump your main in the bottom tiers. I think because F/T doesn't have super flashy, crazy damage (45%+) combos, a well known professional player who mains them (not to take away from those players who do, but it's not like SonicFox or the YOMI team ever use them) or really interesting tools like say Warlock's f3, they get put down. But I have mopped up plenty of high tier characters with nothing more than matchup knowledge and good reads (it's obviously gone the other way plenty of times, but I digress). F/T is a heavily underplayed character. They are the bane of Grandmaster, have one of the trolliest strings out there (4,2+4 needs to be full screen again goddammit!!), I argue the best god damn projectile in the game, and they are consistently disregarded in patch updates.

I'll just slum it out in the low tiers....

Best projectile in the game, uhh no.

Cybernetic Kanos Knives say hi

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

Best projectile in the game, uhh no.

Cybernetic Kanos Knives say hi

Dude do you even know what Ferra can do as a projectile? how much damage she does?

 

[FiercePhil56]

This game feels pretty damn well balanced

 

[Wetdoba]

Everyone always throwing out Ferra Torr's name without giving any reasons behind why they think they suck or why they think they are secretely good. I'm starting to think absolutely no one but the Ferra Torr mains from week 1 actually know anything about the character.

Also as a PSA about FT, they require all three variations to be used, they can't just Tempest Lao it with only Vicious or only the new Ruthless, and as a matter of fact, we are still trying to figure out which variation is best for each match up, because like Doombawkz said, we still don't even know.

 

[RM slacked]

1) Grandmaster Sub
2) Ice Clone
4) Sub Zero
5) Ex Ice Clone

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

you're welcome? i guess? lol, out of curiousity what is your specific bottom 5 list pig?

No order

Goro
Ferra tor
Jason
Mileena
Kenshi

Doesn't matter the order,
These characters are poorly designed, concepts in game mechanics and how they play feel like afterthoughts and all 5 feel extremely problematic and are guilty of being overly fair in a broken mans game

 

[ATIWAB]

No order

Goro
Ferra tor
Jason
Mileena
Kenshi

Doesn't matter the order,
These characters are poorly designed, concepts in game mechanics and how they play feel like afterthoughts and all 5 feel extremely problematic and are guilty of being overly fair in a broken mans game

I feel like Ferra/Torr is a hidden top-tier that nobody has bothered putting the time into, tbh. Can agree with the rest.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Also these people clamoring and bitching that this isn't a bottom 5 variation list. Got news for you, the reason why this is probably an overall character bottom 5 list is that each of the 5 have ZERO variations that are tournament viable in the game

I'm really sorry for all you Hat Trick,
lasher, Spectral, etc mains out there.
Let me shed a tear for you guys because you guys don't have a variation for your character either that's tournament viable


Oh wait
Tempest
Royal storm
MOS
Ronin/Ryu

Yes that's right now STFU

 

[TamedLizard]

1) Grandmaster Sub
2) Ice Clone
4) Sub Zero
5) Ex Ice Clone

Oh god...what's #3!?

 

[GAV]

This actually does bug me a bit.

Like we in the F/T community are still finding new stuff with our character.
Why is it suddenly assumed everyone else knows our position before we do? Dumb topic is dumb.

Like I could say some things and I'd bet no one barring other F/T players would know about it.
Our MU numbers are still in flux, but its looking like between all 3 variations we lose to exactly 2 characters and thats all.
But ya know, bottom 5 and all. Community knows best.

They've obviously never been wrong about a big bodied armor clad grappler being bottom 5 for most of the game's life, even after game changing buffs.

I've played good Ferra/Torrs, but he feels really limited when I pick him up. No doubt that there is stuff I'm missing.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I feel like Ferra/Torr is a hidden top-tier that nobody has bothered putting the time into, tbh. Can agree with the rest.

It would please me to be wrong about Ferra tor,
Sweet new character and interesting on paper concept

In my experience I've never played one Ferra tor that made me fear anything at all or one I thought I couldn't beat easily in tourney

Not a shot at the players just I feel this character is bleh

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

No order

Goro
Ferra tor
Jason
Mileena
Kenshi

Doesn't matter the order,
These characters are poorly designed, concepts in game mechanics and how they play feel like afterthoughts and all 5 feel extremely problematic and are guilty of being overly fair in a broken mans game

Pig, as someone I know is up there in the pro scene, and as someone whose opinion I respect, the reason you listed were pretty general, but what specifically about F/T puts them in bottom 5 (if you can answer that)? Your comment about overly fair in a broken man's game is absolutely spot on, just wondering if you could elaborate on that.

 

[Wetdoba]

I feel like Ferra/Torr is a hidden top-tier that nobody has bothered putting the time into, tbh. Can agree with the rest.

ok but WHY?

everyone is saying Ferra Torr is bottom 5 or Ferra Torr is secret top tier but never provide any evidence as to why they think that, not one person in this thread talking about Ferra Torr has said why

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

ok but WHY?

everyone is saying Ferra Torr is bottom 5 or Ferra Torr is secret top tier but never provide any evidence as to why they think that, not one person in this thread talking about Ferra Torr has said why

I would gladly expand on my F/T opinion XP and I at least know what I'm talking about. I still wouldn't say they are "secret top tier", just not bottom imo.

 

[Swordzman321]

inferno got buffed and ninjutsu is fairly good with really good footsies and punish capabilities, not sure why kung jin is bad just because he is under used, shaolin has amazing pressure, jaqui got buffed so now she is at least usable

ou heard it from here folks, Kung Jin is now bottom 5.

But seriously, rarely seeing him is irrelevant to his placement in the tier lists and besides, he's the 12th most used character online.

ninjutsu isn't that great from what i've tried when playing him, not horrible. The range on the b2,f2 normals do give him good spacing, but the damage is around 30-33% if you end with s4 into teleport. not terrible, but not sure if it's worth using over other mid tier characters and certainly not worth using over someone like cassie. This is just my opinion though, i could be horribly wrong. I can't say much on his other variations since i don't play them.

you're right about the kung jin statement, i guess i just don't know much about him. I see almost 100% ermacs or takedas online. I saw a lot of kung jin close to launch, then never again pretty much. But he probably isn't bottom 5. That should probably be jason or goro. My mistake.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Pig, as someone I know is up there in the pro scene, and as someone whose opinion I respect, the reason you listed were pretty general, but what specifically about F/T puts them in bottom 5 (if you can answer that)? Your comment about overly fair in a broken man's game is absolutely spot on, just wondering if you could elaborate on that.

I'll be the first to tell you I know next to literally nothing about Ferra tor however I've played many and not once did I ever feel a threat

this one I could be really wrong about and would be happy to be but in my 5 months experience I've yet to see one player use FT in a defensive or offensive oppressive and impressive way

Every FT looks the same, dull,
Boring and fair. let me tell you what works in this game and is an example or a characteristic of tournamen viable

FT block string ends in 50/50 and hits the OH or low. They're now planted

Erron black hits a low and it's either +7 or 40% into another guess

Same w the rest of the cast

If FT low vicious or OH vicious launched then we would be talking about a MKX character until then overall he seems hella fair and dull.

This is a quick example, I'm open to seeing any FT gameplay and being explained otherwise what makes FT so good but until I see any that impress me I'll remain intact the character is meh

 

[ATIWAB]

ok but WHY?

everyone is saying Ferra Torr is bottom 5 or Ferra Torr is secret top tier but never provide any evidence as to why they think that, not one person in this thread talking about Ferra Torr has said why

It would please me to be wrong about Ferra tor,
Sweet new character and interesting on paper concept

In my experience I've never played one Ferra tor that made me fear anything at all or one I thought I couldn't beat easily in tourney

Not a shot at the players just I feel this character is bleh

As far as I can tell with F/T, unlike other characters, you can't learn one variation and do well; you need to know all three inside and out and use them to counter-pick your opponent.

F/T has incredible range, easy to input high-damage combos, the best NJP in the game outside of maybe KJ and good armor; his downside is basically just slow startup speed (made up for with the range at which he can start a string).

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

ok but WHY?

everyone is saying Ferra Torr is bottom 5 or Ferra Torr is secret top tier but never provide any evidence as to why they think that, not one person in this thread talking about Ferra Torr has said why

FT community (tournament players) are not very good at explaining why their character is bad nor good

They have very poor tutorials, guides and tourney videos to go by or judge

I feel one thing the FT community lacks is a strong voice and strong representation. They have two suttle quiet tourney players w meh results and a bunch of online TYM warriors who want us to believe FT is the bomb diggity.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

As far as I can tell with F/T, unlike other characters, you can't learn one variation and do well; you need to know all three inside and out and use them to counter-pick your opponent.

F/T has incredible range, easy to input high-damage combos, the best NJP in the game outside of maybe KJ and good armor; his downside is basically just slow startup speed (made up for with the range at which he can start a string).

To me that's a sign of a weak character in mkx

U know who doesn't need to do that?

1-15 pick any character

They don't and that my friend is a strong red flag u need 3 variations to do what 15 others don't

 

[Wetdoba]

I'll be the first to tell you I know next to literally nothing about Ferra tor however I've played many and not once did I ever feel a threat

this one I could be really wrong about and would be happy to be but in my 5 months experience I've yet to see one player use FT in a defensive or offensive oppressive and impressive way

Every FT looks the same, dull,
Boring and fair. let me tell you what works in this game and is an example or a characteristic of tournamen viable

FT block string ends in 50/50 and hits the OH or low. They're now planted

Erron black hits a low and it's either +7 or 40% into another guess

Same w the rest of the cast

If FT low vicious or OH vicious launched then we would be talking about a MKX character until then overall he seems hella fair and dull.

This is a quick example, I'm open to seeing any FT gameplay and being explained otherwise what makes FT so good but until I see any that impress me I'll remain intact the character is meh

Pig that character is so much more than overhead and low Ferra toss on block, what you just suggested would make their meta game hella dull in comparison. The character is much deeper than that

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

ninjutsu isn't that great from what i've tried when playing him, not horrible. The range on the b2,f2 normals do give him good spacing, but the damage is around 30-33% if you end with s4 into teleport. not terrible, but not sure if it's worth using over other mid tier characters and certainly not worth using over someone like cassie. This is just my opinion though, i could be horribly wrong. I can't say much on his other variations since i don't play them.

you're right about the kung jin statement, i guess i just don't know much about him. I see almost 100% ermacs or takedas online. I saw a lot of kung jin close to launch, then never again pretty much. But he probably isn't bottom 5. That should probably be jason or goro. My mistake.

as someone who as sunk a lot of time into ninjutsu i would say it is very worth using, his f2 is really good not only for spacing and footsies but it blows up armor as well, his sweep is actually usefull since it also blows up armor, and you can get a lot of meterless damage with nijutsu if you know what you are doing. highly under rated IMO

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Pig that character is so much more than overhead and low Ferra toss on block, what you just suggested would make their meta game hella dull in comparison. The character is much deeper than that

Who do I need to play, what do I need to go watch to find the FT of my dreams

Where's the results

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Pig that character is so much more than overhead and low Ferra toss on block, what you just suggested would make their meta game hella dull in comparison. The character is much deeper than that

Btw I'm listening

 

[RM slacked]

Oh god...what's #3!?

I couldn't think of any more

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

I'll be the first to tell you I know next to literally nothing about Ferra tor however I've played many and not once did I ever feel a threat

this one I could be really wrong about and would be happy to be but in my 5 months experience I've yet to see one player use FT in a defensive or offensive oppressive and impressive way

Every FT looks the same, dull,
Boring and fair. let me tell you what works in this game and is an example or a characteristic of tournamen viable

FT block string ends in 50/50 and hits the OH or low. They're now planted

Erron black hits a low and it's either +7 or 40% into another guess

Same w the rest of the cast

If FT low vicious or OH vicious launched then we would be talking about a MKX character until then overall he seems hella fair and dull.

This is a quick example, I'm open to seeing any FT gameplay and being explained otherwise what makes FT so good but until I see any that impress me I'll remain intact the character is meh

I'll do what I can to educate. I will start by saying I do agree that compared to other characters they are fairly lackluster. But that's part of the appeal to me, they very straightforward, there's nothing super complicated about them.

Ferra is a fantastic projectile, IMO best in game. She stuffs every one else's fire balls, including the ice Klone, and all three of her throws will result in a knockdown, so it's a really good trade. She also works as a mix up, b121 can be cancelled into bowl girl (low) or Ferra toss(OH), and Ferra Toss is +1 on block.

b121 breaks most characters armour, save low slides or really quick start ups. In the corner it's basically B121xx OH or low, if it works rinse and repeat, throw a b3,2+4 in to really mix it up.

Lackey's d1 w/o Ferra. I don't think anyone can argue that it isn't like top 3 d1 in game, after a blocked OH starter I can throw that out against most characters (so far Kotal, scorpion are the only ones who can beat me out with their pokes, maybe Quans new d1 but it might be too short) and catch them pressing buttons. Also to note that Lackey's b4 becomes available too, I haven't used this too much but it's worth noting. no other character gets new normals like they do (i think).

Also I'm not sure what you mean about the OH/Low vicious not launching? b2,3,2+4 OH launches, and f2 is a low launcher?

are you talking about OH or low ferra toss for the "block string ends in 50/50" If so I agree.

And how could i forget.... DAT NJP