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STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
Eldriken said:
How good he was? Not much got changed on him that suddenly made him that much worse. A damage reduction and EX Flip Kick not being plus. Nothing really game changing there.
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I agree with this, I think the problem in the beginning was that people were trying to play against him with some weird entitled MK9-metagame. Everyone just got better at scouting the holes in his utility.

Speaking of utility, I think it's fair to say at least Bojutsu is washed up. What does it currently bring to the table over Ancestral and Shaolin other than better armor? Even Slayer has moved on to Shaolin for the most part lol.
 
Asodimazze

Asodimazze

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KeyserSoze said:
Why not? If there are roughly 30 characters in the game (there are currently 29 in MKX), then the top 10 being labeled "top tier," the middle 10 being labeled "mid tier," and the bottom 10 (in the case of MKX, bottom 9) being labeled "bottom tier" all seems pretty logical to me
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Because tiers are created considering the "power" of a character, putting the ones with a similar level of "power" in the same category. An arithmetical division of all the characters in the game is a different thing.

Looking at a random tier list, we can all see that the top tier is far different from the top 10. Here is the 2014 SF third strike tier list, from Arcadia :

S+ Chun-Li
S Ken, Yun, Makoto
A Dudley, Urien, Akuma, Yang, Ryu, Oro
B Elena, Ibuki, Necro
C Alex, Hugo, Q, Remy
D Twelve, Sean

Only Chun-Li, Ken, Yun and Makoto are top tier, with Chun being a little bit better.
Oro is top 10, but no one would say he is top tier lol.
 
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Eldriken

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Big Pampering said:
He is still good. NJP is punishable on block too and you can't do it as fast as it used to be iirc. Kung jin got a little more fair and other characters got better, if you didn't actually like kung jin you would have dropped him by now imo.
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Erm, everyone got the same instant NJP adjustment. >_> It was a universal "nerf".
 
KeyserSoze

KeyserSoze

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Asodimazze said:
Because tiers are created considering the "power" of a character, putting the ones with a similar level of "power" in the same category. An arithmetical division of all the characters in the game is a different thing.

Looking at a random tier list, we can all see that the top tier is far different from the top 10. Here is the 2014 SF third strike tier list, from Arcadia :

S+ Chun-Li
S Ken, Yun, Makoto
A Dudley, Urien, Akuma, Yang, Ryu, Oro
B Elena, Ibuki, Necro
C Alex, Hugo, Q, Remy
D Twelve, Sean

Only Chun-Li, Ken, Yun and Makoto are top tier, with Chun being a little bit better.
Oro is top 10, but no one would say he is top tier lol.
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This is semantics. When people get specific, what you wrote is totally accurate. However, colloquially, many people speak about tier lists in more general, less precise terms. Within that context, top, mid, and bottom match up perfectly with top 10, middle 10, and bottom 10.

Again, I agree with what you wrote, but the more general approach I summarized is used quite often on this message board and in tier list discussions in general.
 
Big Pampering

Big Pampering

Master
Eldriken said:
Erm, everyone got the same instant NJP adjustment. >_> It was a universal "nerf".
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Okay... The big thing is that it punishable on block. Kung jin has a good reason to do an instant NJP, a lot of characters don't. Just because it is a universal change doesn't mean it has a universal effect on every character.

Also I think the 11 got changed to -2, when it was first either neutral or + a little, but don't quote me on that.

Edit: f3 got changed from neutral to -3 too.
 
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SaJa

SaJa

FH_FenriR
coolwhip said:
Dude, the best European player and one of the best Mortal Kombat players in the world got swept by Erron Black in the EVO Grand Finals. If he's mid in Europe (and I doubt Europe agrees with you), it means Europe is wrong. And this is in no way an attempt to put Europe on blast since they've proven they're awesome but Erron Black is super good.

In before "weaknesses."
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I can't make average stats on 1 amazing player that also brought Kitana on top. Sonicfox is decidedly good and on top by himself. I also know, in USA, Jax was top 1 because of cdjr during his dominant period on mk9.
DJT Tempest Kunglao can beat Sonicfox' EB. Sonic uses Kitana (who is weirdly in the top 10 list as well now) against tempest for a while now.
And trust me, a tier list may change from a place to another. The korean tier list was not the same than the occident for starcraft. Same in SF, where Rose was shit tier in USA and top in europ and then Luffy won EVO with Rose.

I'm not saying Kitana and EB are bad, I'm saying that there are 10 characters that have better ratio of good matchups. If Sonicfox would have main Liukang, you guys would have put him on that list.This is my opinion, even if it's not the debate here x)
 
LEGEND

LEGEND

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SaJa said:
I can't make average stats on 1 amazing player that also brought Kitana on top. Sonicfox is decidedly good and on top by himself. I also know, in USA, Jax was top 1 because of cdjr during his dominant period on mk9.
DJT Tempest Kunglao can beat Sonicfox' EB. Sonic uses Kitana (who is weirdly in the top 10 list as well now) against tempest for a while now.
And trust me, a tier list may change from a place to another. The korean tier list was not the same than the occident for starcraft. Same in SF, where Rose was shit tier in USA and top in europ and then Luffy won EVO with Rose.

I'm not saying Kitana and EB are bad, I'm saying that there are 10 characters that have better ratio of good matchups. If Sonicfox would have main Liukang, you guys would have put him on that list.This is my opinion, even if it's not the debate here x)
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Tom Brady making a knee jerk video calling Jax the best in the game (november 2011) does not mean anyone in the USA ever thought the same
 
I GOT HANDS

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
SaltShaker said:
Easily Jax.

Ridiculously good, possible Top 5 character. Incredibly underused and rarely complained about by players due to low representation from high execution requirements.
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Uhh.. Damn. Glad you got in in like first post, cause fuck else needs to be said? Great explanation too. I do think Cassie deserves a mention too, but yeah Jax got this
 
John Grizzly

John Grizzly

The axe that clears the forest
Lemon1991 said:
I'd have to go with either Cassie or Tanya. I've yet to fight either
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I almost see never fighting a Tanya, but there's really no chance you've never fought a Cassie unless you got the game last night and have only played 5 or 6 games online. She's a very popular character.
 
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Eldriken

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Big Pampering said:
Okay... The big thing is that it punishable on block. Kung jin has a good reason to do an instant NJP, a lot of characters don't. Just because it is a universal change doesn't mean it has a universal effect on every character.

Also I think the 11 got changed to -2, when it was first either neutral or + a little, but don't quote me on that.

Edit: f3 got changed from neutral to -3 too.
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Fair enough. Can't argue with that. But I still don't feel it hurt him that badly. I guess he's just not the FotM anymore.
 
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