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Hidan

Hidan

Where the hell is Reiko's wheel kick
One more thing guys, general info. You may know about this, I just haven't see it mentioned. Dmg bonus doesn't apply according to hits and dmg. Every special move and regular throws also get it. Could be like whenever the game sees your hits gonna end, it applies the bonus

Choke is 15%. After a lost round reaches 19-20. You may also have noticed (or got whined about) the dmg from armored squeeze or choke being 24-25 sometimes. That's what I mentioned with the extra 5 or 6 dmg from EX versions

Edit: @Eldriken the "normalization" will only nerf combos. Armored moves will still wreak havoc on rushdown minds
 
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Eldriken

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Hidan said:
One more thing guys, general info. You may know about this, I just haven't see it mentioned. Dmg bonus doesn't apply according to hits and dmg. Every special move and regular throws also get it. Could be like whenever the game sees your hits gonna end, it applies the bonus

Choke is 15%. After a lost round reaches 19-20. You may also have noticed (or got whined about) the dmg from armored squeeze or choke being 24-25 sometimes. That's what I mentioned with the extra 5 or 6 dmg from EX versions
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I've seen dbf1 do 27% raw without enhancing it. I lost a round, about 90% of my health the next round before winning and about 60-70% the next round.
 
Hidan

Hidan

Where the hell is Reiko's wheel kick
Eldriken said:
Yep. His damage output is nuts after a while. If they're gonna "fix" this, they need to make his enhanced moves do more damage to make up for it. Let us get the same damage, just make us spend meter to do it now.
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Let em do it. Slasher is more enjoyable and Relentless will still be a counter pick for some

And what do we know, while they fixing the dmg, they may also buff Unstoppable hehehe

Then I'll be breaking balls again like early June, when I was turning the volume up in every resurrection
 
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Eldriken

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Hidan said:
Let em do it. Slasher is more enjoyable and Relentless will still be a counter pick for some

And what do we know, while they fixing the dmg, they may also buff Unstoppable hehehe

Then I'll be breaking balls again like early June, when I was turning the volume up in every resurrection
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I don't think I'll ever go back to Slasher now that I have gotten a lot better with Relentless.

Slasher just doesn't seem to have enough going for it. I know everything it can do and all, but I just feel more at home with Relentless.

Rip Torn said:
So, they might nerf Relentless? Doesn't make sense to me. I still think ex tight squeeze whiffs too much because low profiling/throw immunity.
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I sure hope they don't. I won't drop him if they do, however. It will just suck. If they make it to where he cannot be low profiled, then fine, "fix" it. I think that would be a fair exchange. The low profiling in this game is fucking retarded anyway, lol.
 
KeyserSoze

KeyserSoze

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I'd be really bummed if "Damned" gets nerfed. I don't see how it's warranted at all (I think he needs it to be decent). If they do decide to go this route, then they better buff unstoppable, lol.
 
KeyserSoze

KeyserSoze

Fabled Villain
Eldriken said:
I sure hope they don't. I won't drop him if they do, however. It will just suck. If they make it to where he cannot be low profiled, then fine, "fix" it. I think that would be a fair exchange. The low profiling in this game is fucking retarded anyway, lol.
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This is basically how I feel.

I will say this, though: I currently play Slasher and Relentless about 50/50. If "damned" gets normalized and they do nothing to help Unstoppable, I will be playing a LOT more Slasher (who I really love anyway).
 
Etoroguy

Etoroguy

Why isn't Jax's Farm a playable stage?
Hi I'm a Shinnok main and I'm looking for a secondary. Relentless Jason is a top candidate. I was wondering what ender you guys use for combos. After a basic combo
(B122, b122, 111) what do you do and why?
 
Rip Torn

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
Etoroguy said:
Hi I'm a Shinnok main and I'm looking for a secondary. Relentless Jason is a top candidate. I was wondering what ender you guys use for combos. After a basic combo
(B122, b122, 111) what do you do and why?
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That's like a kabal main picking up stryker as a secondary. But to answer your question; choke. It keeps them in the corner.
 
Etoroguy

Etoroguy

Why isn't Jax's Farm a playable stage?
Not sure what you mean by that lol. but I just found out that all his Enders are hard knockdowns. Air grab, choke, back breaker, and tight squeeze are all hard knockdowns!
Also how often do people tech roll against you in the corner because I found a good pursuit setup.
b122, njp, f2, b122, 24xx dd3(ex) I think it does 26% without any buffs (I may be wrong) and is completely safe... Unless they tech roll but then their buttons are already reversed. Is this viable?
 
Rip Torn

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
Etoroguy said:
Not sure what you mean by that lol. but I just found out that all his Enders are hard knockdowns. Air grab, choke, back breaker, and tight squeeze are all hard knockdowns!
Also how often do people tech roll against you in the corner because I found a good pursuit setup.
b122, njp, f2, b122, 24xx dd3(ex) I think it does 26% without any buffs (I may be wrong) and is completely safe... Unless they tech roll but then their buttons are already reversed. Is this viable?
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I just meant that you have potentially a top 3 character as your main and your secondary is potential bottom 3. Like, what matchup is Jason going to be a better option than Shinnok?

Anyway, His other hard knockdowns are exbf3, 32, 112 and b4. You can cancel from 32. His splat is 32d1. You can get a safe ex pursuit off that.

Your setup sounds good, but also very dropable, especially against females. I don't even use pursuit anymore as I consider it a waste of meter. I usually just activate killing machine after the normal BnB b122, b122, 111~dd4. I still only do that to close out a round if they have like 15-25% life and I have at least 40% or breaker.
 
Rip Torn

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
KeyserSoze said:
LOL, Jason is a million times more competitive in MKX than Stryker was in MK9.
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I actually thought Stryker was a little underrated in MK9. Jason is almost gauranteed bottom tier in MKX. He's like Grundy was in Injustice, but without the crazy damage.
 
KeyserSoze

KeyserSoze

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Rip Torn said:
I actually thought Stryker was a little underrated in MK9. Jason is almost gauranteed bottom tier in MKX. He's like Grundy was in Injustice, but without the crazy damage.
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He's better than Grundy, IMO. And while he doesn't have Grundy-level damage, I would call his damage pretty crazy (easily top 5). I agree that Jason is likely bottom tier in MKX, but being bottom tier in this game is nothing like being bottom tier in MK9.
 
Rip Torn

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
KeyserSoze said:
He's better than Grundy, IMO. And while he doesn't have Grundy-level damage, I would call his damage pretty crazy (easily top 5). I agree that Jason is likely bottom tier in MKX, but being bottom tier in this game is nothing like being bottom tier in MK9.
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The thing is, Stryker could actually hang with the top tiers in MK9. Pick Jason against any top 10 character in MKX and you will not have a good time.
 
Etoroguy

Etoroguy

Why isn't Jax's Farm a playable stage?
Well in injustice I mained green lantern and had Grundy as my secondary. I am pretty much recreating that with my Shinnok and Jason duo. Also relentless gets crazy damage in the third round. I was messing around online and I was low on health and my BNBs were doing 45% meterless. But whenever my opponent chooses outlaw erron black or Bojutsu Kung Jin I switch to Shinnok because I'm still getting familiar with Jason. IMO Jason is the strongest grappler.
 
Rip Torn

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
KeyserSoze said:
Interesting. You really think so?
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He could hang with Kabal at least.

KeyserSoze said:
Who is in your top ten?
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The standard top 10-15 that most would agree upon. They all have either great pressure or 50/50's or great zoning. Jason can't deal with any of that.

Just wait until people start spamming throw immune strings. That will be the downfall of Jason like it was for Grundy.

@Etoroguy Erron Black is the best grappler.
 
KeyserSoze

KeyserSoze

Fabled Villain
Rip Torn said:
He could hang with Kabal at least.



The standard top 10-15 that most would agree upon. They all have either great pressure or 50/50's or great zoning. Jason can't deal with any of that.

Just wait until people start spamming throw immune strings. That will be the downfall of Jason like it was for Grundy.

@Etoroguy Erron Black is the best grappler.
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I think Slasher and Relentless are fairly competitive in most match-ups. I don't doubt that Jason loses to most of the top tier, but I personally don't find that he has a lot of utterly hopeless, lopsided match-ups. Also, I think Jason has an interesting inherent strength in MKX: He has terrific meter-less damage in all three of his variations. I believe meter-less damage is extremely important in MKX because of the absurdly OP rushdown in this game. Having meter to armor through pressure (instead of having to use it to extend combos) is absolutely critical.

Even after the last patch, my biggest gripe is STILL that Jason gets low-profiled far too often.
 
Rip Torn

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
KeyserSoze said:
I think Slasher and Relentless are fairly competitive in most match-ups. I don't doubt that Jason loses to most of the top tier, but I personally don't find that he has a lot of utterly hopeless, lopsided match-ups. Also, I think Jason has an interesting inherent strength in MKX: He has terrific meter-less damage in all three of his variations. I believe meter-less damage is extremely important in MKX because of the absurdly OP rushdown in this game. Having meter to armor through pressure (instead of having to use it to extend combos) is absolutely critical.

Even after the last patch, my biggest gripe is STILL that Jason gets low-profiled far too often.
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The thing is, Jason has to spend all his meter to get out of that rushdown pressure because he doesn't have any fast pokes. So Jason has to spend meter to armor out, where he gets low profiled half the time. So basically he wastes meter on stuff other characters don't, gets nothing out of it, and then has no way to build it back.
 
KeyserSoze

KeyserSoze

Fabled Villain
Rip Torn said:
The thing is, Jason has to spend all his meter to get out of that rushdown pressure because he doesn't have any fast pokes. So Jason has to spend meter to armor out, where he gets low profiled half the time. So basically he wastes meter on stuff other characters don't, gets nothing out of it, and then has no way to build it back.
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Yeah, that happens WAY too often.
 
Etoroguy

Etoroguy

Why isn't Jax's Farm a playable stage?
How does Relentless fair against Slasher in mirror matches? What about Mileena? Those are two matchups I struggle with as Shinnok.
 
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