Question - Johnny Cage Frame data

[Wigy]

Has the frame advantage off 114 121 and 12 been tested. I did the jump test there and it seemed neutral if not -ive?

While im here, do reversal grabs come out faster? Cause off a string thats supposed to be +2 i can't get a 9f jab out before a 10grab grab?

 

[BoricuaHeat]

12 is plus 2. You can D1 Kung Lao before reversal spin goes active.

Haven't tested with 114 and 121 extensively.

 

[Wigy]

12 is plus 2. You can D1 Kung Lao before reversal spin goes active.

Haven't tested with 114 and 121 extensively.

Ah sweet. Thanks for getting back to me

 

[Matador Fiend]

Has anyone figured out the frame data for SD clone kick and uppercut? It seems to be positive but the in game lists it as negative.

 

[rafaw]

Has anyone figured out the frame data for SD clone kick and uppercut? It seems to be positive but the in game lists it as negative.

Mimic Shadow Kick is something like +10~12 on block
Mimic Upercut is something like +5~7 on block

 

[Matador Fiend]

Mimic Shadow Kick is something like +10~12 on block
Mimic Upercut is something like +5~7 on block

Oh wow. Thanks

 

[RyuKazuya]

does 113 skrc gain the same amount of plus frmaes as 114 ? sorry i just gotta know ^^

 

[Name v.5.0]

does 113 skrc gain the same amount of plus frmaes as 114 ? sorry i just gotta know ^^

No. 114 is like the best string to cancel out of in both A-List and Stunt Double. +6 or something like that? I forget.

 

[STRYKIE]

Has anyone figured out the frame data for SD clone kick and uppercut? It seems to be positive but the in game lists it as negative.

The clone shadow kick is at least +13, you can jail a F4 after it.

Not sure about the clone rising shadow, but it is +.

 

[RyuKazuya]

No. 114 is like the best string to cancel out of in both A-List and Stunt Double. +6 or something like that? I forget.

oh ok so should i avoid using113 into skrc? or can i sometimes try to throw it out for an anhanced combo on hit ?

 

[rafaw]

No. 114 is like the best string to cancel out of in both A-List and Stunt Double. +6 or something like that? I forget.

Best string yes, but the best cancel is 4skrc/4csk/4mimic activation, 4skrc is +15 if i remember right!

 

[rafaw]

oh ok so should i avoid using113 into skrc? or can i sometimes try to throw it out for an anhanced combo on hit ?

113skrc if you do it perfectly is +4

 

[IrishMantis]

Mimic Shadow Kick is something like +10~12 on block
Mimic Upercut is something like +5~7 on block

Mimic Shadow is def at least plus +12 as F3, D4, and B2 jail
his up one im not sure but i feel its no more than +3
His MB nutpunch on block im pretty certain is -12 (maybe 13)

and yeah his 12 and 114 is +2 when your doing the jump test make sure they are both the same char and pause the screen so you see who is higher or gonna land first

Fuck it im gonna test frames maybe later if i have time

No. 114 is like the best string to cancel out of in both A-List and Stunt Double. +6 or something like that? I forget.

think its atleast plus 10 as if you time it correctly you can jail into 114

The safest black attack to get clones is standing 4 its -12 but hard to punish

 

[Name v.5.0]

oh ok so should i avoid using113 into skrc? or can i sometimes try to throw it out for an anhanced combo on hit ?

I'm not an A-List main, but I wouldnt say totally avoid it because you can SKRC into combo if the 3 hits(I think). 114 is best for pressure. The problem is that the 4 fucking whiffs sometimes even though it's a mid.

 

[IrishMantis]

I'm not an A-List main, but I wouldnt say totally avoid it because you can SKRC into combo if the 3 hits(I think). 114 is best for pressure. The problem is that the 4 fucking whiffs sometimes even though it's a mid.

lol you wouldn't believe how many games i lost due to that

 

[RyuKazuya]

I'm not an A-List main, but I wouldnt say totally avoid it because you can SKRC into combo if the 3 hits(I think). 114 is best for pressure. The problem is that the 4 fucking whiffs sometimes even though it's a mid.

Damn! Thanks man
well thats the only change we need than to make 114 an actual mid then ^^

 

[rafaw]

Yeah it whiffs, thats one more reason to use 4skrc when you can(after np) to pressure... it has more frames of advantage and it hits properly.

And 113skrc 113 is a combo @Name v.5.0

 

[zoofs]

does anyone know what the accurate frame data is for SD forceballs (ex and regular)?

 

[Matador Fiend]

Also just to clarify, is that frame data for ex clone uppercut and ex clone kick or regular? Im trying to learn sd to cover fisticuffs worse mus

 

[zoofs]

Also just to clarify, is that frame data for ex clone uppercut and ex clone kick or regular? Im trying to learn sd to cover fisticuffs worse mus

regular kick and regular uppercut, ex uppercut is +12 if not more I believe?

 

[Name v.5.0]

Yeah it whiffs, thats one more reason to use 4skrc when you can(after np) to pressure... it has more frames of advantage and it hits properly.

And 113skrc 113 is a combo @Name v.5.0

It just flat out needs fixed. I like doing 114~mimic cancel because when fighting against an opponent who understands SD Johnny, they know you can throw out armor after 11 if Johnny goes for 11(pause)F2. When this happens they generally eat the 4 and my mimic comes out and I don't have to waste a mimic shadow kick for pressure. I get 2 loaded up and ready to go. It's extra mind games. I WANT them to see 1,1.

 

[rafaw]

It just flat out needs fixed. I like doing 114~mimic cancel because when fighting against an opponent who understands SD Johnny, they know you can throw out armor after 11 if Johnny goes for 11(pause)F2. When this happens they generally eat the 4 and my mimic comes out and I don't have to waste a mimic shadow kick for pressure. I get 2 loaded up and ready to go. It's extra mind games. I WANT them to see 1,1.

Yeah i know the feel bro! 11 makes then react and we can play mindgames, 114 i agree that should be fixed asap!

 

[Killer Xinok]

Mimic Shadow Kick is something like +10~12 on block
Mimic Upercut is something like +5~7 on block

meterless Mimic uppercut is Actually 0 on block
But SD itself is pretty unsafe, if the opponent knows the matchup, if a SD cage does 113 is assuming his own death against anyone that could use armor..
I don't use mimic in competitive anymore, A-list is much more fun, and much more safe to play.. haha

 

[rafaw]

meterless Mimic uppercut is Actually 0 on block
But SD itself is pretty unsafe, if the opponent know the matchup, if a cage does 113 is assuming his own death against anyone that could use armor..
I doesn't use mimic in competitive anymore, A-list is much more fun, and much more safe to play.. haha

I know you dont play SD anymore, your A-list is the best one i have ever seen!
Mimic have a lot of holes, his pressure with sd is gimmick and not that solid, only some strings/normals into mimic shadow kick is guaranteed. But its fun af to play.

Im going back to A-list too, but SD will allways be there to have some fun =)

 

[Killer Xinok]

I know you dont play SD anymore, your A-list is the best one i have ever seen!
Mimic have a lot of holes, his pressure with sd is gimmick and not that solid, only some strings/normals into mimic shadow kick is guaranteed. But its fun af to play.

Im going back to A-list too, but SD will allways be there to have some fun =)

Thanks bro