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Should a backdash really cost a stamina bar?

Should a backdash really cost a stamina bar?

  • Yes

    Votes: 53 36.6%
  • No

    Votes: 92 63.4%

  • Total voters
    145

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
Oh look another "suck it up" post. Can you explain to me what's wrong with me wanting more defensive options when this game is totally dominated by the offensive ones? I mean back dashes cost stamina lmao. That makes absolutely no sense at all
You're clearly a moron that can't understand the basic concept that if players at the highest level of competition are able to win by playing defensively, then you don't need more defensive options. I'm done wasting my time, just adding you to the ignore list.
 
You're clearly a moron that can't understand the basic concept that if players at the highest level of competition are able to win by playing defensively, then you don't need more defensive options. I'm done wasting my time, just adding you to the ignore list.
That's how discussions go on around here? Wow dude throws around insults like its nothing because I disagree with him then ignores me for that same reason. And just because people win using defensive options doesn't mean changes don't need to happen. Maybe they're just better than their opponents.
 

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
My mentality is until my defense is as good as djt I'm not going to complain about defensive options. The way he plays, it's like he knows something we all don't haha. We will see what happens in the future.
 

bdizzle2700

gotta stay sharp!
I mean maybe they shouldn't. Idk to be honest. I play kano and I can do d4 (on block)back dash and be 3/4of the screen away. While on hit I'm practically full screen. Maybe 2 steps from full screen. So like those kind of back dashes would need to be regulated. But he seems to be an outlier. Also, I can back dash a string and very few strings will still catch me backdashing, and I can usually wiff punish just about anything if I do.
 

Error

DF2+R2
It always strikes me as odd when people say "defensive options are obviously weak in MKX".

Just watch DJT or MIT play. DJT absolutely thrives off his defensive capabilities. Recently Michaelangelo was saying that DJT is the most difficult person to play because he's almost impossible to open up. Watch him play and you'll see this. He's so patient and capitalises on forced errors so well.

Same for MIT, just watch him buffering in the neutral, waiting for his opponent to make a mistake.

Backdashing to fullscreen isn't the only form of defence.
You can't really equate a player having good defense with the game having strong defensive options.

I mean maybe they shouldn't. Idk to be honest. I play kano and I can do d4 (on block)back dash and be 3/4of the screen away. While on hit I'm practically full screen. Maybe 2 steps from full screen. So like those kind of back dashes would need to be regulated. But he seems to be an outlier. Also, I can back dash a string and very few strings will still catch me backdashing, and I can usually wiff punish just about anything if I do.
I think Kano's an outlier, his back dash is really good.
 
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SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
You can't really equate a player having good defense with the game having strong defensive options.
If players are able to play defensively well in this game, that's a clear indication that those who are unable to, just need to level up. If these players (who are known for good defensive play) were struggling in this game, there would be a case for more defensive options to be implemented. That's not the case here.
 

haketh

Champion
That's how discussions go on around here? Wow dude throws around insults like its nothing because I disagree with him then ignores me for that same reason. And just because people win using defensive options doesn't mean changes don't need to happen. Maybe they're just better than their opponents.
Name a fighting game where the defensive options are close in number & use to the offensive ones
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
I think that the backdash meter cost is fine. The backdash sucks if you just use it without timing it correctly, else it's fine - I can use it juuuust fine and so can a player called Doctor Stabs who backdashed ALL THE TIME in pools at ECT. Please go and watch it if you know where the archive is, I don't know where it is though or else I'd rip it and make a thread because people need to see this gameplay :p
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
You are being a bit of an asshole really. No need to be so rude to the guy.
Yeah I was a dick to him. But look at what I initially posted, then what he responded with. Then when I explain my points, look what he responds with again. I have no patience with people who are incapable of having a debate. He proved he was unable to and so I stopped wasting my time.
 
Yeah I was a dick to him. But look at what I initially posted, then what he responded with. Then when I explain my points, look what he responds with again. I have no patience with people who are incapable of having a debate. He proved he was unable to and so I stopped wasting my time.
This is total crap. He insulted and ignored me like a little child because I feel like despite people winning using defensive options they still need help because there is no sembelence of balance between the 2. Anyone with a brain can see this. Its such a dumbed down argument to say "so and so won doing this so its finnneeeeeeeee". And I think you're more of the one who is unable to have a debate considering how easily you started throwing insults around and ignoring people who disagree with you.
 

Perdition

Your friendly neighborhood cynic
I always hated people who would just backdash all game long and turtle, I really like that it costs stamina. There is nothing more frustrating to me in fighting games than having to chase someone down until the match nearly times out. This game was geared towards pressure and fast paced action, I love it. I think it was made this way because of all the lame tactics from Injustice.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
It always strikes me as odd when people say "defensive options are obviously weak in MKX".

Just watch DJT or MIT play. DJT absolutely thrives off his defensive capabilities. Recently Michaelangelo was saying that DJT is the most difficult person to play because he's almost impossible to open up. Watch him play and you'll see this. He's so patient and capitalises on forced errors so well.

Same for MIT, just watch him buffering in the neutral, waiting for his opponent to make a mistake.

Backdashing to fullscreen isn't the only form of defence.
@ TYM, you need to able to examine and expose terrible posts such as this one.

Anyway, DJT uses a character who has an armored 7 frame spin and another special move that almost acts a shield while MIT uses a characters with back teleports, and one of them has a 1 frame start up.

Ironically, Scorpion and Tanya can backdash to full screen, which is partially what makes them top tier characters. Kung Lao's defense revolves around anti-airing, punishing, and interrupting. Again, if every character had an armored 7 frame spin, we would not be having this conversation right now because backdashes would not require any adjustments.
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
@ TYM, you need to able to examine and expose terrible posts such as this one.

Anyway, DJT uses a character who has an armored 7 frame spin and another special move that almost acts a shield while MIT uses a characters with back teleports, and one of them has a 1 frame start up.

Ironically, Scorpion and Tanya can backdash to full screen, which is partially what makes them top tier characters. Kung Lao's defense revolves around anti-airing, punishing, and interrupting. Again, if every character had an armored 7 frame spin, we would not be having this conversation right now because backdashes would not require any adjustments.
Go look at protagonist's thread on DJT and educate yourself
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Dont buy into the non existent defensive play. This game will expose players with bad defense imo.

Pretty much agree with the salt warden. DJT and MIT have phenomenal defensive play.
Says the fool who refuses to play Tanya until the teleport is "normalized". LOL.

Go look at protagonist's thread on DJT and educate yourself
I do not need to. I have fought DJT before. I am well-aware that he is one of the best fighting game players in this community.

Seriously, is there anybody in this community who is not a complete rush down fool or anti-zoning zealot or scrub who can make a legitimate argument as to why defensive options should not receive some type of universal buff?
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
Says the fool who refuses to play Tanya until the teleport is "normalized". LOL.



I do not need to. I have fought DJT before. I am well-aware that he is one of the best fighting game players in this community.

Seriously, is there anybody in this community who is not a complete rush down fool or anti-zoning zealot or scrub who can make a legitimate argument as to why defensive options should not receive some type of universal buff?
You clearly do, as you have made it abundantly clear that you are ignorant of the point at hand
 

haketh

Champion
Street Fighter.
Which one? Cuz it for damn sure aint the majority & the one that was defensive mechanic heavy in SFIV people couldn't stand how many their were & how good they were to the point people are extremely happy they're gone in SFV.
 

xWildx

What a day. What a lovely day.
Which one? Cuz it for damn sure aint the majority & the one that was defensive mechanic heavy in SFIV people couldn't stand how many their were & how good they were to the point people are extremely happy they're gone in SFV.
It's a mix of reactions to SF5. Some people are quite sad to see the defensive options nerfed.
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
You clearly do, as you have made it abundantly clear that you are ignorant of the point at hand
Sneaky, don't get baited into this. As the Salt Warden you're literally THE prize for trolls if you get salty. Anywho, defensive is fine - if Dave or anybody else can give legit reasons for defensive options to get buffed that isn't crying "rushdown is better than defense therefore we need buffs" then I'll listen, but they can't. Dave said why can't defense options get buffed, my answer is why can't offensive options get buffed? Since we're wanting to buff things that don't need it, I can't see a reason not to. Once again, everyone should watch Doctor Stabs vs Michelangelo at ECT pools - he'll show you the defense that everyone craves. People need to level up their defense game before asking for unnecessary defense buffs. This argument soo ridiculous. Why don't NRS just go back to MK9 and give ol' Smoke a low starter? Jesus man....