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That Dive Kick Though....

Jay Rupp

Jay Rupp

Human Smoke or Riot
Has anyone notice how most characters with dive kicks happen to be top tier? Now I'm definitely not claiming all top tier characters have a dive kick ability, but lets look at a few examples across multiple fighting games.

1. Black Adam(IGAU)
2. Kung Jin(MKx)
3. Kung Lao(MKx)-debatable
4. Kung Lao(MK9)
4. Evil Ryu(SF4)
5. Akuma(SF4)
6. Rufus(SF4)

There are many more but these are the ones that immediately came to mind. Do you guys think its just a coincidence? Or do you believe the dive kick has the power to push a character up the tier tanks? Obviously a lot of this depends on each dive kick's individual frame data; but as a whole, what do you think?
 
Slips

Slips

Feared by dragons. Desired by virgins.
Dive kicks by-pass footsies, mess with traditional timing of anti-air and also enhance mobility greatly. They just make it very easy to get in depending on how damaging they can be and how good they recover on whiff. The more damaging/safe the dive kick is on whiff/block, the better the character typically. Black Adam, Rufus, Akuma, Kung Jin, Evil Ryu, Yun, Wolverine, Cammy, Sonya all gets big damage on their dive kick and *gasp* are extremely good characters. Dhalsim had the first rendition of dive kicks in Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting I believe and although they didn't hurt too bad, they raised stun meter a ton and were typically safe. Not an expert in that game but I know in ST he was considered the best in the game. T. Hawk also had a sort of dive kick in ST, but he was the worst in the game for a long time because the risk/reward was out of his favor. He became a top 5 character in ST for other reasons later on though.
 
Jay Rupp

Jay Rupp

Human Smoke or Riot
Jeremy KO said:
You list 3 SF4 characters and don't list Yun and Yang. C'mon son.
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I thought of them, but since I haven't played in a long time I wasn't confident of where they're at. When I last played SF(Ultra release), Yun was getting his cross up fwd kick nerfed and yang was getting some kind of buff. Bottom line is I just dont feel I could say something about either of their tier placements when I've been on such a long hiatus. I still spectate WNF though.
 
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Dope Dojo

Dope Dojo

The Bomb Diggity
Never played Injustice, NRS does seem to have a hard on for making Dive Kick characters good (Except for Cyber Sub Zero)

-Kung Lao

-Kung Jin

-Sonya

-Cassie (Sort of)
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Braindead said:
Yes, like Cyber Sub-Zero. The tournament-viable lethal killing machine.
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MK9 just wasn't fleshed out enough. If we didn't drop it for another game (ugh this community am i right) I bet he'd be top tier by now

this community just doesn't wanna level up and explore the game
 
Jay Rupp

Jay Rupp

Human Smoke or Riot
RYX said:
MK9 just wasn't fleshed out enough. If we didn't drop it for another game (ugh this community am i right) I bet he'd be top tier by now

this community just doesn't wanna level up and explore the game
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IGAU2 release day; what's Mortal Kombat? I hate it. We should all refuse to buy the next IGAU and forcce NRS to keep updating the AMAZING game we have now. I hate to say this, but I would even pay for it. I did like Injustice, but I like Mortal Kombat more. A lot more. This game has ninjas, gods, creatures, sorcerers, army types, mad max types, serial killers and fatalities. Come on.
 
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Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Tim Static said:
You need to go back further in history. UMK3/MKT Lao also had a killer dive kick, and was upper tier in those games as well.
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Lao's dive kick has 0 frames of recovery on whiff in UMK3, it's also the reason he has an infinite, lol. Luckily it was punishable on block.
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Jay Rupp said:
IGAU2 release day. What's Mortal Kombat? I hate it. Hate it hate it hate it hate it. We should all refuse to buy the next IGAU and just make NRS keep updating the AMAZING game we have now. I did like Injustice, but I like Mortal Kombat more. A lot more.
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i forgot to put :DOGE in
 
Dope Dojo

Dope Dojo

The Bomb Diggity
Rufus would be upper mid. Yang would be mid ish. Yun is top, Akuma top, Cammy top, Seth top, Evil Ryu top. All of em got dive kicks lol

Mk games have fewer dive kick characters but they are always good.

Minus Cyber Sub
 
LucaTheRipper

LucaTheRipper

RULES OF NATURE!
Jay Rupp said:
For the majority of the IGAU patch supported life, Bladam was definitely not mid tier. I agree towards the end he loss some viability, but I always viewed him as top tier. I suppose Rufus is debatable, but when you watch Glitch use him it makes you think twice about his "decided" tier placement.
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After watching some matches yeah right Black Adam is really good, Rico Suave knows how to deal with him but you need some patience tho to play with him. Rufus is really debatable, all the SF characters are controversial, some say Makoto is shit tier, others say she is Top 5 like in the Daigo's list lol, in my opinion Rufus have faults but is not that shit like some others, he's definitely mid for me.
 
moraelgamed

moraelgamed

Noob
Yeah Divekicks completely bypass footsies. There is one thing that i find weird in MKX. It seems like the divekicks has homing properties. They do not seem to have fixed arcs like most games. I am not 100% on this but looks this way, kinda take away the idea of actually having to space the divekick if i was right.
 
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