redeyes
Button Masher
i thought that applied to use normals to punish not specials.
i thought that applied to use normals to punish not specials.
NRS logic
No. Just that b12 is probably -6.
But doesn't Reptile's ex slide not punish it? Wouldn't that make it -5 if Lao's ex tempest spin did punish it?
so does this mean 5 frame normals will punish or?
Maybe you have to account for the slide's travel time, whereas ex cyclone and getaway flip don't have any.
No. You'll need a 4f normal to punish it as @delbuster said above.
Doesn't Cassie's flip punish her b12 though?
in game data says -7
Yeah because flip doesn't have travel time.
In game data says a lot of things. While I do appreciate NRS trying to do these things for the competitive community, if you're going to do it, do it right. It does more harm having it wrong than not having it at all. Players will show up to tourneys thinking it's one thing and get blown up by another. And we'll still have to go in and figure out the frame data for them anyway after too. SMH
I believe it is a little less because if I recall correctly I don't think Lao's regular spin punished it.
Sure the thing you are missing is that all of the frame data is questionable even the cancel advantage
Yeah they updated most of the stuff to be "frames to hit" data rather than true startup frames which was confusing to a lot of people. I was actually planning on checking everything when I got home because I heard the table got that update to shift everything to frames to hit, so good call. I will update it later today or tomorrow and update the thread title.
Yeah good catch, there is no way that her sweep is 8 frames because it is pretty slow so that is bogus...and no way d4 is 20 since it is pretty quick. I don't think they are switched though because I really doubt her d4 is 8 frames either since it seems like it is more than a 1 frame difference from her d3.
Idk. Neutral is when you ever get their moves out first and kun loa hat spin just beat out her d3
