An issue dealing w/ NRS Producer Shaun Himmerick & his Twitter Acct.

[Fractured_Shadow]

My close family is entirely women, I grew with only women in my house.

You think I've never heard strangers online say some fucked up shit about my ladies? I have, and you know what I thought about it? Nothing, because it was never and will never be worth my time.

I've seen stabbings/shootings/fights over shit online too, and you know what? Those people always knew each other to some degree, if even by proxy.

This is a stranger, nobody from nowhere. Some dickhead who can't even spell isn't going to some not-even-famous guy's house to fuck his wife because some obscure video game character isn't in a game.

Having seen my fair share of online threats, "i'ma fuck [x]" doesn't even qualify as remotely serious to me, especially not in this context.

Is it rude? Undoubtedly. Is it worth this fuss? Not even.

John Lennon says hi... oh wait no he didn't.

A threat is a threat, plain and simple. I don't understand this whole "because it is online, it is ok" thing.

If I mailed you a letter in cutout magazine letters saying I was going to kill you or rape your wife you would just toss it aside?

Online personalities directly reflect the person behind the keyboard. Take LimboDawg for example, I am 100% sure that guy is an asshat IRL. In fact I fully believe that what you see online is the truest form of a person. So if you are willing to be a complete dickhead online or make threats online when is that going to bleed into the real world?

 

[Pterodactyl]

John Lennon says hi... oh wait no he didn't.

A threat is a threat, plain and simple. I don't understand this whole "because it is online, it is ok" thing.

If I mailed you a letter in cutout magazine letters saying I was going to kill you or rape your wife you would just toss it aside?

No, but if you sent me an email saying "i'm going to fuck your dad if Akuma isn't in Street Fighter 5" I'd delete it and go on with my day.


Don't compare a physical calculated threat to an empty insult from a keyboard warrior.

There are actually legitimate online threats, this is not one of them. It's not "just because it's online" though that is a factor, it's that the insult itself is just a bunch of empty words from a nobody.

 

[Saint Op Omen]

A guy saying he'll fuck another guy's wife if Reiko, a video game character, isn't in Mortal Kombat X, a video game, just isn't a thing I can believe is an actual loaded threat.

There's a difference.

No there is no difference... People have done horrific things for less... The thing you don't get is that it is a threat... Where do you draw a line... I mean if they are down your block just go the other way it they are outside close your doors...
Almost his whole page was full of similar threats... Im not saying this one thing is some huge tipping point... Im saying first off you are claiming to vouch for this guy's mental health or that you know what is or isn't credible from a crazy person and second what threats are ok to be upset about ones that are already acted upon.
You are taking a single line and throwing a who cares about any of them it's the Internet blanket on them... Then going back to its one line that nothing will probably happen from... Its odd

 

[Fractured_Shadow]

No, but if you sent me an email saying "i'm going to fuck your dad if Akuma isn't in Street Fighter 5" I'd delete it and go on with my day.


Don't compare a physical calculated threat to an empty insult from a keyboard warrior.

There are actually legitimate online threats, this is not one of them. It's not "just because it's online" though that is a factor, it's that the insult itself is just a bunch of empty words from a nobody.

The point I am trying to make is that the ease of which celebrities and their fans connect is at an all time high and has never been easier. The medium of which a threat is delivered should NEVER be considered.

So what you are saying is that it is because it is easier for me to type you a threatining email or tweet a threatening message those are LESS valid than if I don't have internet and mail you something? That mindset is a slippery slope.

 

[Pterodactyl]

No there is no difference... People have done horrific things for less... The thing you don't get is that it is a threat... Where do you draw a line... I mean if they are down your block just go the other way it they are outside close your doors...
Almost his whole page was full of similar threats... Im not saying this one thing is some huge tipping point... Im saying first off you are claiming to vouch for this guy's mental health or that you know what is or isn't credible from a crazy person and second what threats are ok to be upset about ones that are already acted upon.
You are taking a single line and throwing a who cares about any of them it's the Internet blanket on them... Then going back to its one line that nothing will probably happen from... Its odd

So you're telling me you actually believe this guy would fuck Shaun Himmerick's wife if Reiko isn't in MKX? You actually believe that's a thing that might happen?

I draw the when it's not people talking shit(like I said in my original post), and it's actually people making serious threats.

This is not a serious threat, this is an immature insult.

If you think a guy is at risk of having his wife fucked because Reiko won't be in MKX, that says a lot about the way your mind works.

 

[TopTierHarley]

John Lennon says hi... oh wait no he didn't.

A threat is a threat, plain and simple. I don't understand this whole "because it is online, it is ok" thing.

If I mailed you a letter in cutout magazine letters saying I was going to kill you or rape your wife you would just toss it aside?

Online personalities directly reflect the person behind the keyboard. Take LimboDawg for example, I am 100% sure that guy is an asshat IRL. In fact I fully believe that what you see online is the truest form of a person. So if you are willing to be a complete dickhead online or make threats online when is that going to bleed into the real world?

Actually Limbo is pretty nice IRL

 

[Fractured_Shadow]

So you're telling me you actually believe this guy would fuck Shaun Himmerick's wife if Reiko isn't in MKX? You actually believe that's a thing that might happen?

I draw the when it's not people talking shit(like I said in my original post), and it's actually people making serious threats.

This is not a serious threat, this is an immature insult.

If you think a guy is at risk of having his wife fucked because Reiko won't be in MKX, that says a lot about the way your mind works.

How do you know if a threat isn't credible? There is a reason sending shit like this to...ohhh i dont know... the fucking President is a MAJOR crime.

Just because YOU don't feel like online threats are legit doesn't mean they should be taken lightly by everyone else.

 

[Briggsfan]

I am completely speechless that people are trying to write off Mr. Himmerick's decision as an overreaction to a situation that was by no means light-hearted. What is wrong with you guys?

It is no wonder I lost so much faith in this site's community...absolutely ridiculous.

Indeed.

It's completely understandable that Shaun does not feel like threats against his wife and daughter are acceptable, because they obviously aren't.

 

[Espio]

John Lennon says hi... oh wait no he didn't.

A threat is a threat, plain and simple. I don't understand this whole "because it is online, it is ok" thing.

If I mailed you a letter in cutout magazine letters saying I was going to kill you or rape your wife you would just toss it aside?

Online personalities directly reflect the person behind the keyboard. Take LimboDawg for example, I am 100% sure that guy is an asshat IRL. In fact I fully believe that what you see online is the truest form of a person. So if you are willing to be a complete dickhead online or make threats online when is that going to bleed into the real world?

Well, you have to think that this is an escalation of what you guys are currently arguing. If someone mails you a letter to your home, that means they know where you live, which is automatically involve the police because they possess the means and even your location to carry out the crime. There's a personal element that the person is either following you or is actively planning out the crime.

I think internet threats should be taken seriously for sure, but I also think the gravity of the above example is different from a vague internet threat we've been presented here. Better to be safe than sorry in both instances and involve authorities if you feel threatened.

Limbo is pretty nice in real life, he went out of his way to help me several times in a match up offline and other areas, he acts up online though. I feel like the majority of people put on fronts, troll more or act tougher online than they do offline, there are actual consequences in person for obnoxious, rude or disrespectful behavior so people act up more online. The safety and anonymity of online does that. Of course, there are unstable people who can, will and have taken their crazy online threats into the real world.

 

[Saint Op Omen]

So you're telling me you actually believe this guy would fuck Shaun Himmerick's wife if Reiko isn't in MKX? You actually believe that's a thing that might happen?

I draw the when it's not people talking shit(like I said in my original post), and it's actually people making serious threats.

This is not a serious threat, this is an immature insult.

If you think a guy is at risk of having his wife fucked because Reiko won't be in MKX, that says a lot about the way your mind works.

See you are back pedalling again... Do I know This guy will do anything... No... Do I know this guy won't... No.. Would you risk your loved ones on that... That says alot about how your mind works...
I have no clue how obsessed this guy is I have no outlook into his mind... Thing is you made a post that said cyber bullying is not real... You said it means nothing in general.. You said do nothing to any of them... But now it's about Reiko... It was never about Reiko... A immature insult is you suck ass.. Or you r the crappies game developers preorder canceled... Not I'm going to fuck your wife... Maybe people hate you and you're desensitized or maybe you do this shit so are trying to make it seem ok because it's not real... Idk but if everybody's mind worked like that we would be in trouble..

 

[Fractured_Shadow]

Actually Limbo is pretty nice IRL

Oh so he is just a total asshole online because he can't be punched directly in the face... that makes it even worse IMO LOL.

 

[Pterodactyl]

The point I am trying to make is that the ease of which celebrities and their fans connect is at an all time high and has never been easier. The medium of which a threat is delivered should NEVER be considered.

So what you are saying is that it is because it is easier for me to type you a threatining email or tweet it is LESS valide than if I don't have internet and mail you something? That mindset is a slippery slope.

If what you send is nonsense then it's not valid at all.

I stranger could send you a message saying "i'll rip your dick off in the night if True Ogre isn't in Tekken 7" they could send it to you in a letter. That won't make it not empty and ridiculous.

Unless you're telling me you think that the person sending you that message would actually do that?

I don't see what that guy said as a legitimate threat, I see it as an empty insult. And an empty insult on the internet is a dime a dozen because there are no real repercussion online for saying fucked up shit unless what you're saying is actually serious.

And sometimes it's hard to tell.

But sometimes, it's easy, like when a guy says "i'll fuck your wife is Reiko isn't in MKX".

When it's a hollow insult, ignore it, people talk shit, get over it.

 

[Fractured_Shadow]

Well, you have to think that this is an escalation of what you guys are currently arguing. If someone mails you a letter to your home, that means they know where you live, which is automatically involve the police because they possess the means and even your location to carry out the crime. There's a personal element that the person is either following you or is actively planning out the crime.

I think internet threats should be taken seriously for sure, but I also think the gravity of the above example is different from a vague internet threat we've been presented here. Better to be safe than sorry in both instances and involve authorities if you feel threatened.

Limbo is pretty nice in real life, he went out of his way to help me several times in a match up offline and other areas, he acts up online though. I feel like the majority of people put on fronts, troll more or act tougher online than they do offline, there are actual consequences in person for obnoxious, rude or disrespectful behavior so people act up more online. The safety and anonymity of online does that. Of course, there are unstable people who can, will and have taken their crazy online threats into the real world.

It is VERY easy to find your address online so that mindset should just go right out the window. If you have ever ordered something online I can find you. Trust me, law enforcement uses social media to locate people allll the time.

As I have said previously I feel that online personalities are directly linked to who you really are. Why do you think it is standard procedure for potential employeers to ask for you online handels? It is a great window into who people really are.

The more and more people interact online the less and less people tolerate "oh it is just how I act online" as an excuess.

 

[Pterodactyl]

See you are back pedalling again... Do I know This guy will do anything... No... Do I know this guy won't... No.. Would you risk your loved ones on that... That says alot about how your mind works...
I have no clue how obsessed this guy is I have no outlook into his mind... Thing is you made a post that said cyber bullying is not real... You said it means nothing in general.. You said do nothing to any of them... But now it's about Reiko... It was never about Reiko... A immature insult is you suck ass.. Or you r the crappies game developers preorder canceled... Not I'm going to fuck your wife... Maybe people hate you and you're desensitized or maybe you do this shit so are trying to make it seem ok because it's not real... Idk but if everybody's mind worked like that we would be in trouble..

I didn't say cyberbulling isn't real, I posted a picture of a rapper's tweet who said Cyberbullying isn't real.

I agree with him to some degree.

Someone insulting you over the internet? That's nothing.

Someone actually making legitimate threats, sharing your personal information, or bringing real life drama online and vice versa, I believe that is real and i've seen it happen many times.


This is now coming down to wether or not we think a guy saying "I'm gonna fuck your wife is REIKO isn't in MKX" is a legitimate threat or not.

And i'm still having a hard time believing people think that's true.


BTW i'm going vandalize the fuck out of your house if Meat isn't in MKX. I hope you're prepared for my serious threat, oh geez that house of yours is sure going to get it. Oh man. Golly you're really in for it.

You can't tell if i'm serious or not right? It's like a mystery right?

 

[Saint Op Omen]

I didn't say cyberbulling isn't real, I posted a picture of a rapper's tweet who said Cyberbullying isn't real.

I agree with him to some degree.

Someone insulting you over the internet? That's nothing.

Someone actually making legitimate threats, sharing your personal information, or bringing real life drama online and vice versa, I believe that is real and i've seen it happen many times.

Like you said it's hard to tell what's real... Doing nothing and hiding from it will help nothing it needs to be punished it needs to be made known it is not okay that there are consequences and then the only people that do stupid shit like that will be taken as credible... Because little keyboard warriors will understand it is not okay and tolerated... Or we can all go stick our heads in the sand until something bad happens...

 

[Pterodactyl]

Like you said it's hard to tell what's real... Doing nothing and hiding from it will help nothing it needs to be punished it needs to be made known it is not okay that there are consequences and then the only people that do stupid shit like that will be taken as credible... Because little keyboard warriors will understand it is not okay and tolerated... Or we can all go stick our heads in the sand until something bad happens...

Shaun did nothing and hid from it, and that's a shame.

The things you do to bullies is you either don't acknowledge them, or you stand up to them.

You don't stop what you're doing and give them the pleasure of making you upset.

I didn't say the guy shouldn't be punished, the dude was a fucking asshole.

I'm saying this whole situation was not as serious as everyone was making it.

 

[Fractured_Shadow]

If what you send is nonsense then it's not valid at all.

I stranger could send you a message saying "i'll rip your dick off in the night if True Ogre isn't in Tekken 7" they could send it to you in a letter. That won't make it not empty and ridiculous.

Unless you're telling me you think that the person sending you that message would actually do that?

I don't see what that guy said as a legitimate threat, I see it as an empty insult. And an empty insult on the internet is a dime a dozen because there are no real repercussion online for saying fucked up shit unless what you're saying is actually serious.

And sometimes it's hard to tell.

But sometimes, it's easy, like when a guy says "i'll fuck your wife is Reiko isn't in MKX".

When it's a hollow insult, ignore it, people talk shit, get over it.

Think about this man.

You are a police officer. A man calls you and says "I am the creator of a video game and I have been getting threatening emails from SmokeWeed420, who is saying that he will kill my family if I don't put Kenshi in the game. But Kenshi is not going to be in the game and I am worried."

Now if you tell this man "It is online brahh don't sweet it" and then his family turns up dead, you sir are fuuuuuuucked.

What you are not inderstanding is that people do irrational shit all the time and every threat on social media should be looked into.

 

[Pterodactyl]

Think about this man.

You are a police officer. A man calls you and says "I am the creator of a video game and I have been getting threatening emails from SmokeWeed420, who is saying that he will kill my family if I don't put Kenshi in the game. But Kenshi is not going to be in the game and I am worried."

Now if you tell this man "It is online brahh don't sweet it" and then his family turns up dead, you sir are fuuuuuuucked.

What you are not inderstanding is that people do irrational shit all the time and every threat on social media should be looked into.

If i'm a police officer wouldn't it be my job to look into it whether or not I think it's bullshit? That's not really a good scenario.

If I were just me and a random guy came up to me for some reason and told me that, i'd say "wow that sounds fucking dumb, nobody does that" and then no one dies because that shit doesn't happen.

No one just goes and kills video games devs for not making videos games the way they wanted them to be, after making a public threat that will be online forever as evidence.

If so, i'm sure the COD devs would have been fucking extinct by now.

 

[BRUTALITY]

im going to bash everyone in this thread

 

[Pterodactyl]

im going to bash everyone in this thread

How dare you make such a serious threat.

I'm calling the cops, I'm afraid for my life.

Your wording was ambiguous you could be crazy.

I'm gonna leave TYM forever.

 

[Espio]

It is VERY easy to find your address online so that mindset should just go right out the window. If you have ever ordered something online I can find you. Trust me, law enforcement uses social media to locate people allll the time.

As I have said previously I feel that online personalities are directly linked to who you really are. Why do you think it is standard procedure for potential employeers to ask for you online handels? It is a great window into who people really are.

The more and more people interact online the less and less people tolerate "oh it is just how I act online" as an excuess.

How easy or hard it is to do is not what you (or myself) were arguing though. If someone sends a threatening message to your place of residence it is automatically more threatening than an empty online threat. Is this a reasonable conclusion? And yes, I'm aware of Law Enforcement's resources and means of locating people, but that's not tied to the point I was making or the statement you were arguing in comparing the threats.

We both agree that both threats could and should be taken seriously if someone feels threatened especially. One person might brush it off, while another person might feel it is very serious and want to report it and any threat should at least be looked into because as I said earlier, it is better to be safe than sorry.


I'm not defending Limbo's online persona, I am just saying he acts differently in person. I act the same online and offline personally because I don't feel like being online should give me the grounds to be nasty, obnoxious or hateful, merely because I don't know everyone personally in real life.

Employers are also concerned with your online conduct because if they hire you in, it reflects badly on the company to have hired someone with such a terrible attitude and what not online.

I'm in agreement with you for the most part honestly lol.

 

[Saint Op Omen]

How easy or hard it is to do is not what you (or myself) were arguing though. If someone sends a threatening message to your place of residence it is automatically more threatening than an empty online threat. Is this a reasonable conclusion? And yes, I'm aware of Law Enforcement's resources and means of locating people, but that's not tied to the point I was making or the statement you were arguing in comparing the threats.

We both agree that both threats could and should be taken seriously if someone feels threatened especially. One person might brush it off, while another person might feel it is very serious and want to report it and any threat should at least be looked into because as I said earlier, it is better to be safe than sorry.


I'm not defending Limbo's online persona, I am just saying he acts differently in person. I act the same online and offline personally because I don't feel like being online should give me the grounds to be nasty, obnoxious or hateful, merely because I don't know everyone personally in real life.

Employers are also concerned with your online conduct because if they hire you in, it reflects badly on the company to have hired someone with such a terrible attitude and what not online.

I'm in agreement with you for the most part honestly lol.

On and offline are treated prettymuch the same now...this is from first hand knowledge and court cases I have heard of here... Besides who sends letters or has magazines anymore... Lol

 

[Pterodactyl]

How easy or hard it is to do is not what you (or myself) were arguing though. If someone sends a threatening message to your place of residence it is automatically more threatening than an empty online threat. Is this a reasonable conclusion? And yes, I'm aware of Law Enforcement's resources and means of locating people, but that's not tied to the point I was making or the statement you were arguing in comparing the threats.

We both agree that both threats could and should be taken seriously if someone feels threatened especially. One person might brush it off, while another person might feel it is very serious and want to report it and any threat should at least be looked into because as I said earlier, it is better to be safe than sorry.


I'm not defending Limbo's online persona, I am just saying he acts differently in person. I act the same online and offline personally because I don't feel like being online should give me the grounds to be nasty, obnoxious or hateful, merely because I don't know everyone personally in real life.

Employers are also concerned with your online conduct because if they hire you in, it reflects badly on the company to have hired someone with such a terrible attitude and what not online.

I'm in agreement with you for the most part honestly lol.

Geez man, you really know how to explain things logically and reasonably with no wasted words.

You're the hero TYM deserves.


Anyway, it feels nice to have a debate online where there can be multiple pages and no one devolves into petty insults(well at least not in the parts I was involved in), even though we might not entirely agree on things.

 

[Pterodactyl]

This is all your fault you evil bastard.

I didn't even think people loved Reiko THAT much.

 

[Espio]

On and offline are treated prettymuch the same now...this is from first hand knowledge and court cases I have heard of here... Besides who sends letters or has magazines anymore... Lol

He's the one who brought up sending a letter, not me.....

I don't get how hard it is to understand that if someone is sending threatening messages to your HOME address how it isn't more serious. I know already that you can be held liable for content posted online, I have already stated both threats should be looked into so *shrugs*.