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Brutal Chimney

vaporus punching bag
He's originally from Earthrealm but now works for Kotal Khan. he has ties to the black dragon but Kano said he was too nice to be one in the last comic
 
updated OP with variations and moveset

Can someone clear up for me if the sand toss move is tied to a variation or if it's a common move? Def appreciate it.
 

Duck Nation

Dicks with a future
Sand Toss seems to be universal, but is one of those moves that changes per variation. They weren't very clear about it, though, for sure.
 

NHDR

Kombatant
HA! I friggin' knew he'd have a gunslinger and outlaw variant. Any more notes on EB? I missed the stream.
 

lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
HA! I friggin' knew he'd have a gunslinger and outlaw variant. Any more notes on EB? I missed the stream.
Erron Black's sand grenade setups immediately made me think of Cyrax's bomb traps. In the right hands, this guy is gonna be a nightmare.
 

Akromaniac27

Ready to lose your head?
Just think Harley, but revamped and with a penis. THAT, is Erron Black....kinda odd no one else pointed it out. B2 like shots, B12 string with the revolver, tantrum stance now a slide with still the same kind of follow ups; TS 3 is nearly identical but now he shoots the face, up shots exactly the same, this stab move that causes bleed damage just like play doctor..... genuinely surprised numerous people jumped onto deathstoke's dick first though for comparison

Edit: enhanced coin shots are a variaiton of MB cupcakes, the sand roll similar to pop pop but better startup and the same can be said about his shotgun cancelling like pop pop canceling with strings....like need I say more
 
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lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
Just think Harley, but revamped and with a penis. THAT, is Erron Black....kinda odd no one else pointed it out. B2 like shots, B12 string with the revolver, tantrum stance now a slide with still the same kind of follow ups; TS 3 is nearly identical but now he shoots the face, up shots exactly the same, this stab move that causes bleed damage just like play doctor..... genuinely surprised numerous people jumped onto deathstoke's dick first though for comparison

Edit: enhanced coin shots are a variaiton of MB cupcakes, the sand roll similar to pop pop but better startup and the same can be said about his shotgun cancelling like pop pop canceling when strings....like need I say more
Never played Injustice, so I wasn't able to make that connection. Nice analysis, though.
 
Just think Harley, but revamped and with a penis. THAT, is Erron Black....kinda odd no one else pointed it out. B2 like shots, B12 string with the revolver, tantrum stance now a slide with still the same kind of follow ups; TS 3 is nearly identical but now he shoots the face, up shots exactly the same, this stab move that causes bleed damage just like play doctor..... genuinely surprised numerous people jumped onto deathstoke's dick first though for comparison

Edit: enhanced coin shots are a variaiton of MB cupcakes, the sand roll similar to pop pop but better startup and the same can be said about his shotgun cancelling like pop pop canceling with strings....like need I say more
I don't see how his slide gives him followups like TS or how similar TS is to his Quick Draw stance. And the up-shot seemed more reminiscent of Nightwing's terribleuselesswhybotherdoingthis anti-air only projectile.
 

14K

Warrior
Couple things bothered me in what they showed about Erron Black, was thinking of maining him but as pure astetics are conserned i hope he gets improvements to his animations, they look a lot more stiff than previously shown characters, the ranged specials and all look very solid but his more upclose and personal stuff feels very forced... clearly something i probably wont even notice when im actually playing him but right now a bit meh... fun concept overall, from the erlier pics and the comic he felt like a younger character, clearly not that young looking without the hat, but thats cool.

im actually very ok with him being Harley Quinnish, in contrary to what i was expecting him to be,(more Deathstroke). i need to get him in my hands before i actually get a feel for the character. As for the variations heres how i feel.If you are not interested in my opinion Stop reading now. Breakdown:

Commun to all Variations: First string they showed is clearly a harley Animation, feels wierd on him honestly. The backKick to Gun Shot, seems like a winner to me, appears to have nice frames, and range, and feels very much like Deathtrokes double kick to gun Shoots, overall usefull move.
Rolling Grenade i dont see being very usefull outside meterburn, pretty much like harleys combo Starter, seems to have pretty big recovery, and on its own hmmm i dunno about it... Grenade explosion overhead, seems very much NightWings Bombtoss, and i mained NW back in Injustice, and that move was garbage, if the frames are the same this move will as well be Garbage. GroundSlide, its pure Harleys as well but doesnt seem as usefull, they didnt do it against a blocking character but im pretty sure if not MB its not safe and will have big recovery. Comand Grab Tackle. this seems very very good, possibly to good in the Gunslinger or marksman variation with the fakeouts. the MB version seems good as well. The Caltrops, very mixed feelings on this, depends on the meta really, and how much ppl end up using the run. as for those that want to use him up close and personal with the outlaw variation this seems like a nice little setup DOT option on top of the SwordStab.

Marksman: Walkback Rifle Shot, now this is what im talking about, this thing will be very good agains those without teleporting options, clearly a winner. MB version also seems good at medium range for that low. Sniper Shot, oh boy this seems so fun, the fakeouts and damage, the quick frames the everything, im in love with this move lol... Popup Uppercut, nice range, depends on frames but seems like a better anti air option than OverheadBombs. and seems nice mid combo as well..

Outlaw : i didnt like one single thing about this variation, probably never going to use it but for breakdowns sake... that poking stick seems very strong and has fantastic range for what its worth. the Stab move, its cool seems usefull, nice DOT, but maybe losing your main ranged meele option might not be very smart unless you pretend to go full ranged to take advantage of Stab DOT and gunshot chip dmg. Sand Burst, seems very good in multiple ocasions, it will make up for some creative combos i believe. Not much else to say about this variation.

GunSlinger: My Fav out of the 3, StandofStance ohhhh StandofStance why you so cool?!! ill call it SOS for simplicity sake. the SOS low seems good mid combo, the closer ranged nature of it might hurt a more defencive ranged game as only the last shot would end up hitting. SOS anti Air, hmmm seems slow in the frames so dunno, needs to be tested for viability, After that uppcut move seems like a good little dmg, if you can do anything after that would be awesome. SOS walkback shot, for me this is the holy grail, fast, effective, and a quick get out move. Coin toss another move i loved straight out of the box, seems very good for those ppl that will try to jump over your waistlevel gun fire, the fact that you can control distance just makes this move godlike. i couldnt tell the active frames of the move but if they are active from the moment the bullet leaves the gun before it hits the coin, i believe this move will be to good... the MB version will be your safety net.
 

Crathen

Death is my business
If meter burning the sand granade can be used to slow it down to the point you can follow it there's gonna be good stuff with it , caltrops seems cheap if run will play a big role in the footsies + the free unbreakable damage on wakeups could be great along w corner traps , caltrops + command grab tackle would be great if the caltrops damage stacked while in the animation of tackle.

I'm curious to see the frames on his gun normals at long ranges , slide is gonna crush high projectiles and it's pretty fast at first glance , pocket sand is ok for standing resets i guess and seems great in Outlaw wich is gonna be his higher combo potential variation + upclose range on normals.

AA sand granade nightwing looking special could be good if it's a mid close range and if it has + frames , we'll see what the MB version does ( almost sure it'll extend combos ), here's hoping it has upper body invincibility for AA.

Coin toss probably is an overhead to open people up , looks awesome.

Marksman could be good especially if the cancels have good followups with some frames to work on , walk back rifle shots are sweeeeeeeet and looks like MB allows for some combo potential in near the corners , rifle swing seems a good combo extender and MB deals big damage , it could be his higher corner damage variation.

Can't wait to test all of this , mad hype for him.
 

14K

Warrior
If I play him I'm playing Gunslinger, Outlaw, then Marksman. Standoff Stance and Coin Toss are too cool and I like how they look like they'll play.
LOL and that Hat is just to cool for school, honestly looking at him now with his variations im dying to see his alts, i hope for atleast 3 different ones
 
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