I want to see your matches vs Grundy...since day 1 you been saying this
Nobody said everyone is equally skilled, just that the skill gap isn't so pre-patch KDZ that these Doomsday players are running train on all the other best players with some mid tier, maybe top 15 character. What character/matchup numbers have changed just because they consistently place? That doesn't even make sense; everyone has always agreed that Doomsday barely loses any matches if he even loses any at all. Doomsday can hang with anyone and that's why someone as good as Whiteboi can... well, hang with anyone.
i dont understand the game at a high level? okay so then honeybee doesn't either be cause he agrees with me? *waits for no reply*
Yeah, if he agrees with your points then honeybee does not understand footsies in injustice.
Where did Whiteboi come from anyway? Never heard of him before IGAU. Is he from another scene?
you don't even know my points as to why i have flash losing no MU. i don't think flash loses because he has the tools to deal with every situation. you just twist what i say to make me sound dumb as usual. flash doesn't beat aqauman or goes 5-5 with him because of footsies, is because of everything else he can do against him. same with superman. it doesn't occur to you that you need to have knowledge of footsies to place 3rd at a major? you discredit me by saying i dont have high level knowledge of injustice, then you say try to make me look stupid? if i dont have high level knowledge then it should be easy to take money from me in a MM right? next major we are in FT5/FT10 MM flash vs who ever, whatever amount you want as well, tired of your shit talk.
I dnt think a character needs to win majors to be considered "top 5" or etc. Cyrax didn't win many majors, but he pretty much always top 3 in MK9 because of the tools he possessed. Just putting that out there. Zod hasn't won a single major, yet he considered top 4 by most people in the community.
I dnt know why cyrax was ever in contention but that is the way of community's for fighting games overall for the most part. If no one sees a character winning, they might not think they are as good (kind of like gen in sf4 where no one thought he was that viable until Xian came on the scene). We do have some top 8s form zyphox and honeybee, so we have some results from them. No major one yet, but it is going to be hard to solidify things because once MKX comes out, we know what is going to happen with our community lol. If we had the time Capcom games had, we'd be able to explore our games better.
And I disagree. Doomsday is better than top 15-10. He's right up there with that handful of characters who don't really dominate any matchups too significantly but don't really lose any badly either (WW, BM, F, SM, etc.). They're all top ten and vying for that last top five spot. Only a couple characters are in the top ten conversation in spite of having some real shitter matchups off the strength of how badly they dominate some of their others (Bane, Sinestro, etc.). The majority of characters people consider the top 5-10 just outside of the big four are just more consistently viable and Doomsday belongs in that group for being exactly that.
yeah, i can see this point. But Kenshi really never won majors either for the same reason as Cyrax....
Lol this is as real as it gets. Kabal screwed over sonya for the most part too
. I dnt know how some say cyrax was broken when you have kabal who won.... EVERY MATCHUP
Zod never won a major and he doesn't even have that many placings so why is he guaranteed top 5 according to almost everyone?
I'm not completely sure where Zyphox stands on how good Flash's footsies are/what makes a character have good footsies. In a MU like Flash vs AM, I believe Flash gets heavily outfootsied because my best ranged attack is my B2 which is 15 start up frames and a mid compared to AMs B1 which is 8 start up frames and a low, among other things. At the same time, Flash's LC prevents AM from using FTD from anywhere except full screen so we have to constantly be up close and I have to manage to be in that space that I'm capable of punishing a whiffed B2, B1, D1 or a dash in so I'm basically respecting what he does more than him respecting what I'm doing. I have to react to him and "play his game" in that situation but just because I have to "play his game" it doesn't mean it's a losing MU. The second I get something started, he's playing my game and I can always take risks in the neutral game because the payoff is well worth the risk.
That all sounds reasonable.
I agree with you that he's not top 5, but to be fair weren't you the one saying the other day that whoever the 5th spot is will likely have multiple 4-6's or a 7-3 just because if they didn't we wouldn't be arguing over the 5th spot in the first place?
