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YOMI MITYEAP

YOMI MITYEAP

Master
Eric Z19 said:
7-3 man....at least. Bane basically negates the entire core of arrows design. Doesn't matter how plus or minus you are, or whether or not you've got ice arrow loaded, and your "mixups" are meaningless.
Bane just eats it and keeps trucking on with a big old smile. Even if you actually land an ice arrow combo, half the time his trait makes your already pathetic damage even *worse*. You can try fire and electric arrows, but he'll just eat those also in most cases, and if he blocks them the chip is practically non existent.

The best tool Arrow has in that fight, far and away, is savage blast...but that can only get you so far until you find yourself in the corner in between a literal rock and a hard place and its game over.
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umm not too sure still, I need to see this matchup played more but maybe u are right.
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

We'll burn you all—that is your fate!
Why do people always consider the worst when they are on Knock down against bane. Its like you can guess right. And no offense doombawks but says that even if you get out i can do this and that to stop you and things like that is rather stupid. Theory fighting at its finest though. All your options are wrong and im right.

Also most of this thread has turned into GGA vs The world on Banes tier list placement. Personally i probably but bane at top 10. But im with KP on the top 5 has more than 5 and top 10 has more than 10 idea. Its also interesting how some people are not willing to consider certain MUs as losing for bane. The same can be said for Bane winning MUs. The game is still young. Some MUs have yet to be fully understood i feel. Also i feel that when some people think MUs they dont think at the highest level. But they let their own judgements or hate or ease towards a MU cloud the MU Number. I have done this as well. I will say that bane is a very good character and i hope to one day be able to play Max and then Bio back to back. I would add Grr to this as well but he plays Joker now.
 
IMakeItL00kC00L

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
Indecisive said:
Why do people always consider the worst when they are on Knock down against bane. Its like you can guess right. And no offense doombawks but says that even if you get out i can do this and that to stop you and things like that is rather stupid. Theory fighting at its finest though. All your options are wrong and im right.

Also most of this thread has turned into GGA vs The world on Banes tier list placement. Personally i probably but bane at top 10. But im with KP on the top 5 has more than 5 and top 10 has more than 10 idea. Its also interesting how some people are not willing to consider certain MUs as losing for bane. The same can be said for Bane winning MUs. The game is still young. Some MUs have yet to be fully understood i feel. Also i feel that when some people think MUs they dont think at the highest level. But they let their own judgements or hate or ease towards a MU cloud the MU Number. I have done this as well. I will say that bane is a very good character and i hope to one day be able to play Max and then Bio back to back. I would add Grr to this as well but he plays Joker now.
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I do agree that top 5 is actually more than 5 characters. Hell you could make the case that any of the top ten could be top 5
 
4x4lo8o

4x4lo8o

Warrior
Mr Aquaman said:
What's the blow up, the fact is ares can sit with a health lead vs zod that spams zod balls, which is what the thread was about, i have no idea what you are blowing up? What are iazb's doing vs ares with a health lead? I was responding to armor who stated ares is immoble and gets 7-3'd by his zoning, check the fucking thread. Second, try talking ds with 4x4 and all i got was, i cant beat hippo, its 7-3 ds. thanks. cause he has the results -_-

l o l mustache
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Are you serious?
I asked you for advice against Deathstroke, asked about part of the advice I didn't understand, and never said anything else. I didn't give my opinion because I was in your match up thread and you didn't ask...
http://testyourmight.com/threads/mr-aquamans-ares-match-up-chart.44466/

I'm pretty willing to type paragraphs and paragraphs about the Deathstroke match up, if you want to discuss the match up just ask; don't mock me
 
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C88 Zombieekiler

C88 Zombieekiler

Up and coming sub zero
AK SaltFace said:
Have fun with these boys

I can honestly say I know all my match ups except for Zatanna since only @deg222 plays her so I don't have a real number for that one.

(Note when I say with a side of derp that means if you lose control you could easily lose the game)

Aquaman 3.5-6.5 (thanks to the new tech trait isn't a big deal no more)

Ares 5-5 (thanks to his buffs)

Bane 5-5 (with a side of derp)

Batgirl 5-5 (with a side of derp & will only be 5-5 by knowing the option selects Deg & I know)

Batman 5-5 (most Batmans think 6-4 Harley because they don't play smart because all they want to do is trait up & go in but that won't work on Harley)

Black Adam 5-5 (became 5-5 after all his nerfs)

Catwoman 6-4 (with a side of derp due to free upclose 50/50s)

Cyborg 4-6

Deathstroke 5-5 (but on Ferris & Watchtower it becomes 4-6)

Doomsday 5-5

Flash 4-6

Green Arrow 5-5

Green Lantern 5-5

Hawkgirl 4-6

Joker 6-4 (with a side of derp)

Killer Frost 5-5 but imo 6-4 (with a side of derp)

Lobo 5-5 (thanks to his buffs)

Lex Luthor 6-4 (with a side of derp)

MMH 4-6

Nightwing 5-5

Raven 4-6

Scorpion 6-4 (after the great CEO nerfs)

Shazam 6-4 (with a side of derp)

Sinestro 4-6 (becomes 3-7 almost 2-8 when he gets trait)

Solomon Grundy 6-4

Superman 6-4 (after all the nerfs & if you can zone well with Harley)

Wonder Woman 5-5 (with a side of derp)

Zatanna 4.5-5.5???

Zod 4-6

Well guys these are my numbers.

Discuss.
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explain how flash wins please
 
IMakeItL00kC00L

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
4x4lo8o said:
Are you serious?
I asked you for advice against Deathstroke, asked about part of the advice I didn't understand, and never said anything else. I didn't give my opinion because I was in your match up thread and you didn't ask...
http://testyourmight.com/threads/mr-aquamans-ares-match-up-chart.44466/

I'm pretty willing to type paragraphs and paragraphs about the Deathstroke match up, if you want to discuss the match up just ask, don't mock me
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"I feel stupid."- Ra Helios 2014
 
Johnny Based Cage

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Indecisive said:
Why do people always consider the worst when they are on Knock down against bane. Its like you can guess right. And no offense doombawks but says that even if you get out i can do this and that to stop you and things like that is rather stupid. Theory fighting at its finest though. All your options are wrong and im right.

Also most of this thread has turned into GGA vs The world on Banes tier list placement. Personally i probably but bane at top 10. But im with KP on the top 5 has more than 5 and top 10 has more than 10 idea. Its also interesting how some people are not willing to consider certain MUs as losing for bane. The same can be said for Bane winning MUs. The game is still young. Some MUs have yet to be fully understood i feel. Also i feel that when some people think MUs they dont think at the highest level. But they let their own judgements or hate or ease towards a MU cloud the MU Number. I have done this as well. I will say that bane is a very good character and i hope to one day be able to play Max and then Bio back to back. I would add Grr to this as well but he plays Joker now.
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Thank you! This times a thousand.

I know my opinion as a non-traveling, non-tournament-attending, non-pro holds no weight whatsoever and I'm totally 100% fine with that, but I also know that after thousands of games with Bane, Doomsday and Grundy (and over twice as many with Bane than the other two), he clearly has his struggles in certain matchups. And when people calm down and start to block his low-high shit and escape his tic-throws and so on, it makes dealing with his oki at least somewhat more manageable. All some characters really need is a backdash and a dream after blocked pressure after all.

His oki is 10/10, best in game - among the best in any game for that matter - and an absolute nightmare for most characters (and for some even way moreso than others). It's often his whole game though, and some characters can shut him down with the right guess and subsequent escape (as opposed to, say, the post-vortex guessing game against some other characters not having nearly as much of an impact on their match).

It's really interesting to see how much opinions on his matchups fluctuate though. Probably the most debated chart I've seen. Some of these claims just seem like hysteria to me though, personally.
 
Justice

Justice

Warrior
Rally Jackson said:
Well you clearly just downplay the shit out of Catwoman. She runs oki like Bane and doesn't even need armor to do it. :)
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Seriously dood, shut the fuck up. Catwoman vs Bane goes like this:

Oh! You have 50/50s for days? Let me just armor through it.
Oh! You think you can Evade my shit? Let me just keep swinging while you're on recovery.
Oh! You think you can wakeup with EX specials? Let me just stand here and laugh while my armor eats the hits.
Oh! You have a trait that's invincible on wakeup? Let me just beat the piss out of you so you can't get scratches or use this delayed normal stomp that beats out your invincibility frames.

I'll never forget (and thank God this was on stream or I wouldn't have believed it myself) this one match I had with Biohazard. He had me backed into the corner on my back. I woke up with full trait and he let me do it. He countered with Lvl 3 EX Command grab. I watched Bane eat 3 *count em* 3 hits from my trait and still landed the command grab to end the round!

We aren't downplaying Catwoman. The MU really is that bad.
 
Johnny Based Cage

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Justice said:
Seriously dood, shut the fuck up. Catwoman vs Bane goes like this:

Oh! You have 50/50s for days? Let me just armor through it.
Oh! You think you can Evade my shit? Let me just keep swinging while you're on recovery.
Oh! You think you can wakeup with EX specials? Let me just stand here and laugh while my armor eats the hits.
Oh! You have a trait that's invincible on wakeup? Let me just beat the piss out of you so you can't get scratches or use this delayed normal stomp that beats out your invincibility frames.

I'll never forget (and thank God this was on stream or I wouldn't have believed it myself) this one match I had with Biohazard. He had me backed into the corner on my back. I woke up with full trait and he let me do it. He countered with Lvl 3 EX Command grab. I watched Bane eat 3 *count em* 3 hits from my trait and still landed the command grab to end the round!

We aren't downplaying Catwoman. The MU really is that bad.
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Yo honestly how fucking stupid are you? I'm not at all talking about the Catwoman matchup. I did notice you mentioned a whole shitload of "let me try to wake up with something" options that get stuffed or blocked and punished though. No shit, ya don't say!

For the thousandth time, in case there are any other salty Catwoman retards out there, Bane doesn't even give a shit if you DO guess right and get up because you can't do shit if you get out anyway. Yes that matchup IS that bad.

It's characters like Zod and Batman who can give Bane hell in the neutral if they guess right on wakeup. And for the scrubs who think that means guess which attack to mash out and get stuffed, no it means get your defensive read right, and get the fuck out of that oki pressure. It's actually possible, believe it or not.
 
Ecodus

Ecodus

I ain't got time to bleed.
Justice said:
Seriously dood, shut the fuck up. Catwoman vs Bane goes like this:

Oh! You have 50/50s for days? Let me just armor through it.
Oh! You think you can Evade my shit? Let me just keep swinging while you're on recovery.
Oh! You think you can wakeup with EX specials? Let me just stand here and laugh while my armor eats the hits.
Oh! You have a trait that's invincible on wakeup? Let me just beat the piss out of you so you can't get scratches or use this delayed normal stomp that beats out your invincibility frames.

I'll never forget (and thank God this was on stream or I wouldn't have believed it myself) this one match I had with Biohazard. He had me backed into the corner on my back. I woke up with full trait and he let me do it. He countered with Lvl 3 EX Command grab. I watched Bane eat 3 *count em* 3 hits from my trait and still landed the command grab to end the round!

We aren't downplaying Catwoman. The MU really is that bad.
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Dude, clean up the language. There's no need for that. Let him downplay Bane and up play CW. Who cares. Snapping off like that fuels the troll. We are better than that.

And when I say we, I mean Canadians and CW mains.
 
Johnny Based Cage

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Ecodus said:
Dude, clean up the language. There's no need for that. Let him downplay Bane and up play CW. Who cares. Snapping off like that fuels the troll. We are better than that.

And when I say we, I mean Canadians and CW mains.
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Y'all are delusional is what you are. Nobody even said anything about the Catwoman - Bane matchup being anything other than a shitter. Maybe try to judge a character against the whole cast though and not your own hopeless, godawful scenario? Sorry your main is so free to mine, but as a ton of other people who don't main Catwoman or beat up on Catwoman mains weekly have attested to throughout this thread, he's probably not tops in the grand scheme of things lol.
 
Johnny Based Cage

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
GGA 16 Bit said:
Why does Bane get destroyed by Batman in the neutral?
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It's not the worst uphill battle ever but he definitely beats him. Bats are a major roadblock, his zoning and mobility (great backdash, good air control) are a nuisance, b23 is great, and his jump arc can really fuck with Bane's aintiairs and giant hitbox.

I think there's no question that what keeps Bane in the matchup so well is Batman's inability to even stand up without the right read. The rest is Batman's game.
 
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