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Peckapowa

Peckapowa

Noob
EGP Wonder_Chef said:
Red Orb / MB Pillar stop him from dive kicking. If he whiffs a Black Magic (or on block if the MMH is good at the IATP punish) Bladam eats a lot of damage against Martian.

Getting around Zod's zoning takes a lot of patience, but you don't need to make any crazy risks, but getting around MMH's zoning does require you to make very dangerous reads.

Also like I said, once you get in you're STILL at a big disadvantage vs Martian, but not vs Zod. Same with knockdown.
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see i still feel like you have it backwards, against zods you have to take crazy risks because he is going to get trait and there is absolutely no solution to a slow ball once he streams them, so you can't let him get that goign so you have to dive kick over shit which can be full combo punished by a higher arced fast zod ball or punished by a zod charge.

against martian most of the time you can block and it doesn't end the world for him, all it does is chip, and once you block a projectile you can advance, ALONG with that you have the threat of black magic... i realize dive kick and black magic are unsafe in that mu particularly but that doesn't make them unusable. throwing out pillars are risky


You were talking about punishing a slow jump ball with black magik on the way down and reaction to a fast, but how are you going to tell the difference????? thats the point and you argued me into confusion, the point is if you are sitting there at full screen thinking you can black magik, at the worst my instant fast ball will trade and i get a instant slow ball out and its game over.
 
Clark L.

Clark L.

F1 ftw.
Peckapowa said:
i just feel like black adam does better vs martian, he can actually get past the zoning and martian has to be careful because he can be counter-zoned occasiaonlly by black magic and instant dive kick, and black adam can compete when martian loses trait, plus he has b2 after oh tp on block and can punish backdash with insta dive kick.

if zod gets setup, black adam has 0 options but too wait for zod to get trait and start up again, and it doesn't take much for zod to initaite his zoning.
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Not that my opiniom make will make a difference here, but playing both these match ups alot more lately... and zod feels wayyyy harder.
 
Error

Error

DF2+R2
EGP Wonder_Chef said:
The way I see it is Zod at least has to get his shit started, and if he just does raw IAZB bladam can catch him out of it with black magic on the way down, so he has to at least find an opportunity to do it, while Martian doesn't.

Also Black Adam can be less scared to throw out Lightning or Black Magic from full screen vs Zod, since Zod can't really punish them but Martian destroys his shit for even trying. Also if Bladam ever gets in footsies range, it's way easier to fight Zod than Martian. Same thing with knockdown, I would much rather knock down Zod.

All I know is the MMH matchup is harder than the Zod matchup, but calling the MMH matchup an 8-2 felt like a bit much to me...
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Honestly, I feel like WW is much harder than MMH or at least just as hard, her instant air charge alone stops all zoning attempts, she doesn't have to respect his wake-ups because her jump 2 goes over both of them, and she outfootsies him hard.

I wish his sweep was safe among other things, why the fuck is it -21 on block and even worse on whiff?
 
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MidTierHarley

MidTierHarley

Noob
It makes me cringe when i still see people putting Black Adam in top 10. Do they even look at his tools now or do they just assume he was godlike before so now hes only good now -__-
 
Billy Dha Kid

Billy Dha Kid

Day 1 phenomenal grab immune
EGP Wonder_Chef said:
He can't Zone Grundy obviously, so he has to play him in footsies range where he has to deal with Grundy's armor. If he does Walking Corpse you can B2 late to be throw immune, but if he does WCC > D2 it will catch you out of it and you will eat 50%.

Also Bladam is super free on wakeup to Grundy, he has to respect his wakeup mixups so hard.

And if Grundy gets a life lead + chip trait, what the fuck is Black Adam supposed to do to open him up? Haha.


I feel like Bladam used to win this matchup when he could literally just run away the whole game, but he can't anymore so I hate it.
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Seems to me Black adam can still do divekicks aainst grundy and still get away with it, and I highly doubt if a black adam player sees grundy coming with wcc they would risk doing b2
 
EGP Wonder_Chef

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
Billy Dha Kid said:
Seems to me Black adam can still do divekicks aainst grundy and still get away with it, and I highly doubt if a black adam player sees grundy coming with wcc they would risk doing b2
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What if grundy WCs through the dive kick?

Also what would you do if Grundy WCd at you then?
 
Billy Dha Kid

Billy Dha Kid

Day 1 phenomenal grab immune
EGP Wonder_Chef said:
What if grundy WCs through the dive kick?

Also what would you do if Grundy WCd at you then?
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I mean if the Grundy player can read when you are gunna do divekick then rip but that is why you don't just throw out kicks all the time and if grundy was coming to me with walking corpse I would just jump back and fly to safety with my kick.

Believe it or not Grundy still has trouble catching black Adam unless you constantly throw out kicks
 
MajinBerserker

MajinBerserker

My power equals yours!
@GGA HAN
How do you feel the DS-BA match-up goes? I meant to ask you in detail at GGA Thurs-Fri when we were up there.
I've talked about it a lot with RedRaptor and Slips, since they're my main training partners, but I've never really gotten word from a BA player that has more DS experience offline than myself. I play against DS a LOT.
 
GGA HAN

GGA HAN

Galloping Ghost Arcade
MajinBerserker said:
@GGA HAN
How do you feel the DS-BA match-up goes? I meant to ask you in detail at GGA Thurs-Fri when we were up there.
I've talked about it a lot with RedRaptor and Slips, since they're my main training partners, but I've never really gotten word from a BA player that has more DS experience offline than myself. I play against DS a LOT.
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I used to play it a lot with Slips, and while he usually got the better of me, it wasn't due to the characters tools, but him making better reads or outplaying me. I usually felt DS zoning was ok in the MU even with guns being MB divekick punishable for 40%. MB f3 from DS is a great footsie tool that you kind of have to respect, then due to the adv he gets to make you guess again (not a strait up 50/50 but more like a 33/33/33). I was a bit rusty in the matcup when i played red raptor, and I thought he played it well. I need to brush up on it, but until I have a chance to play it more, I'd say its 5-5 and red raptor just outplayed me.
 
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