Injustice + EVO + Community: My Thoughts (Very Long + Covers a lot)

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

okay so lets just compare for example, neither me or honeybee went to MLG or CEO, he went to UFGT and had a great performance getting top4. ECT he got 5th. EVO i don't know what he placed only know he lost in losers to My nikka BIFU Insayyne. 3 (american major) tournaments. I got 3rd at WB, 17th at FR, 7th at ECT. its not like am trying to say am leagues ahead of honeybee, but when yourself and others say he's hands down the best, just like you also did with harold, you were proven wrong. question is when do i get to be hands down best flash? going by objectively i'm pretty close to honeybee. now i don't want you to retract your statement, because i intend to make you hold it yet again, but besides tournament placings what other factors play into this?

Pig will have his opinions. You can get emo about it or let it fuel you.

 

[JustPressingButtons]

Questioning whether someone is good online is fine I can understand that. I'm just asking for everyone to stop treating online players like they're inferior. The whole "when have you gone to a tournament" arguement is so petty and childish.

It's not that fact they play online they get bashed. It's when they say they can mop people up offline and won't play offline. For example we had a Marvelous Member here who literally sits behind stream chats and TYM calling out and taunting scenes and specific players. When he got called out to play offline, he used the option selects. Moral of the story is, if you're playing online fine, but no way in hell you should make a clown of yourself talking shit to offline players and proceed to not show up to events.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

okay so lets just compare for example, neither me or honeybee went to MLG or CEO, he went to UFGT and had a great performance getting top4. ECT he got 5th. EVO i don't know what he placed only know he lost in losers to My nikka BIFU Insayyne. 3 (american major) tournaments. I got 3rd at WB, 17th at FR, 7th at ECT. its not like am trying to say am leagues ahead of honeybee, but when yourself and others say he's hands down the best, just like you also did with harold, you were proven wrong. question is when do i get to be hands down best flash? going by objectively i'm pretty close to honeybee. now i don't want you to retract your statement, because i intend to make you hold it yet again, but besides tournament placings what other factors play into this?

Results are #1 and he's gone away from his territory and placed really well at really strong tourneys w competition from all regions and won a major in his own.

Then there are the things I factor in such as how does he do vs me, wound, theo, whiteboi, dave, blind man, bit, Jupiter, etc and everyone of them say He is extremely tough to beat at every moment, I think everyone but Jupiter out these listed agrees he's the best.

Also him having zero zod experience from day 1 when we played and being a toe to toe threat every game when i knew the mu extremely well and he didnt really know it was truly impressive. Offline/Online/Every tourney he's consistently gotten leaps better and week of evo i had 5 txts from 5 separate people oddly in one night from Jupiter, dave, wound etc saying this "Omg have you played honeybee lately? Dude has seriously gotten on another level" I played him and we went dead even almost (forgot score) and offline it started that way w him taking it after 45 mins i just lost it. And he did this to everyone

Other than Harold, against a flash ive never felt that way

 

[Zyphox]

Pig will have his opinions. You can get emo about it or let it fuel you.

i'll do both ^_^.

 

[Faded Dreams V]

lol i know but its aggravating, like i proved a huge amount of people wrong at winter brawl, then honeybee does good at UFGT and ECT and now i have to do it again? okay lets say i go to SJ and get 2nd place, now what? will everyone's mind all of a sudden change again? well privately a lot of people WERE saying honeybee was "privately talked among many that no other compares" verbatim quote by @AK Pig Of The Hut, so then when i do good next tournament will people privately start reconsidering that statement? or do i have to travel outside the EC and play these players and see if no others "compare"?

I'm not an offline player, but I've lingered around here long enough to see Tom Brady deal with the same thing. You need to understand that you can only be the "best player" in people's eyes at the CURRENT moment in time. Do well in one tournament, you're deemed the best. Do poorly in another or don't show up, but get outplaced by someone using your character, he will be deemed the best. This is a never-ending cycle, which is why it is pointless to reason with people until AFTER the game is passed its prime and, well, dies. We can now say REO was the best Kabal in MK, 16 Bit was the best Kitana, and Pig was the best Kenshi because the game ran its course, and they had the most results during that span. Only numbers count. And they count at the very end.

So what do you do? Stop writing that you want to be the best Flash here because you're not convincing anyone with words. Nobody has to know, and what you're doing is just placing additional, unneeded pressure on yourself. Instead, tell yourself that you ARE the best, believe it, and show it (or continue showing it). End of story.

 

[Vandy]

Wow what a great post. Kinda funny how alike Pig and I are. Evo was quite a deep philosophical event for me on many levels (I know kind of weird to say about a tournament) that I could write a book on.

But why I am really posting is more of an indirect response to this post (although 100% direct in my mind). Stating this is an outsider (somewhat):

I really wish people here would realize how good you have it to have a forum like TYM. This is the best forum on the internet.

 

[OG Mannimal]

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Yeah, this whole "Being the best with your character" thing is silly, a lot of characters at a high level only 1 have representative placing and it sucks, you think I like being the only Lobo to place? The Lobo forums are silent. Thankfully I do exchange tech and talk MU's with some people now though, but for the longest time I had no one to level up the character with with. Theres so many things I know now that would've helped me months ago.

People should share tech and play to win, a lot of times people who don't place feel they need some sort of achievement so saying they are "the 3rd best ---" but it means nothing.

Wanting to be the best =/= Not sharing tech/leveling up other people who play your character

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Wow what a great post. Kinda funny how alike Pig and I are. Evo was quite a deep philosophical event for me on many levels (I know kind of weird to say about a tournament) that I could write a book on.

But why I am really posting is more of an indirect response to this post (although 100% direct in my mind). Stating this is an outsider (somewhat):

I really wish people here would realize how good you have it to have a forum like TYM. This is the best forum on the internet.

Can I give you a public shoutout? This guy has been a big part of the community since KIT and this is why people will go back again next year. Not only was it a well run tourney but Vandy is posting, on facebook, and knows the players in multiple games.

Just taking a time out to give you props

 

[Zyphox]

Results are #1 and he's gone away from his territory and placed really well at really strong tourneys w competition from all regions and won a major in his own.

Then there are the things I factor in such as how does he do vs me, wound, theo, whiteboi, dave, blind man, bit, Jupiter, etc and everyone of them say He is extremely tough to beat at every moment, I think everyone but Jupiter out these listed agrees he's the best.

Also him having zero zod experience from day 1 when we played and being a toe to toe threat every game when i knew the mu extremely well and he didnt really know it was truly impressive. Offline/Online/Every tourney he's consistently gotten leaps better and week of evo i had 5 txts from 5 separate people oddly in one night from Jupiter, dave, wound etc saying this "Omg have you played honeybee lately? Dude has seriously gotten on another level" I played him and we went dead even almost (forgot score) and offline it started that way w him taking it after 45 mins i just lost it. And he did this to everyone

Other than Harold, against a flash ive never felt that way

so this just a classic case different variables for the same experiment. Player A has had more exposure at tournaments by traveling, playing more people, and more opportunities to get MU exp offline. i haven't left the EC, or played Cowboy, bit, blind man, dave this year at all. me and you played in one tournament match ft2 and you won convincingly. i've beaten whiteboi and Jupiter in tournament. Also the fact that i'm From the EC plays a role in this as well, lbsh. Jupiter knows why because he has first hand experience as to why my flash is different from the rest, no one else you speak to really plays me, or has played me in a very long time. i can understand why you think the way you do, and i feel i won't have an opportunity to really play you until KIT in 6 months since your taking a break to change your mind, so if Results truly Speak in Major tournaments in America i am the highest placing flash, if you want to have discrepancy, i beat players at WB who know my play style the best and my tendencies, i had to outplayed each and everyone of them. anyway i get what your saying and i respect your opinion. just don't make it seem like honeybee is the best hands down like its unanimous and the next runner up is light years behind like all other catwoman players are to 16 bit or something.

 

[Fromundaman]

Questioning whether someone is good online is fine I can understand that. I'm just asking for everyone to stop treating online players like they're inferior. The whole "when have you gone to a tournament" arguement is so petty and childish.

Agreed UNLESS they are discrediting the people who have, which I have seen a lot in the past (Ra Helios, Cage Redfield, Fred Marvel, etc). There is no reason for someone to be discrediting someone's accomplishments, especially if they are not performing themselves.

 

[mfkaoz]

Agreed UNLESS they are discrediting the people who have, which I have seen a lot in the past (Ra Helios, Cage Redfield, Fred Marvel, etc). There is no reason for someone to be discrediting someone's accomplishments, especially if they are not performing themselves.

Very true. Basically everyone stop being assholes to each other for MKX

 

[Protagonist_1]

Read the whole thing, great read Mr. @Pig of the Hut. I will say I play a variety of fighting games because it gives me a fresh take on how to break down a game, and sometimes can lead me to ideas with my character I didn't think about previously.

Like for example, the FADC is used commonly in SF4. I use MBDC on interactbles I feel I can't avoid, or have too good tracking to avoid a hard knockdown. Avoid the knockdown, take half the damage, and gain some bar back in the process. Plus due to the long recovery of some interactables, some can actually be punished from certain ranges.

Recently I been reading a ton of articles on footsies, so despite the slow walkspeed, I've been practicing to try to learn to walk forward as much as I can in injustice, as well as learning to punish pokes and sweeps. Practice makes perfect, so I'm going to keep playing and seeing how much better I can improve my neutral game.

Seeing tourney players put in the work (16bit, Pig, Sonicfox, Theo, Terry Bros, etc.) and posts like these shows that hard work pays off. I want to do the same in any game I play, whether it be USF4, MKX, or injustice. Now if anyone needs me I'll be looking at frame data, and practicing my neutral game in injustice.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

so this just a classic case different variables for the same experiment. Player A has had more exposure at tournaments by traveling, playing more people, and more opportunities to get MU exp offline. i haven't left the EC, or played Cowboy, bit, blind man, dave this year at all. me and you played in one tournament match ft2 and you won convincingly. i've beaten whiteboi and Jupiter in tournament. Also the fact that i'm From the EC plays a role in this as well, lbsh. Jupiter knows why because he has first hand experience as to why my flash is different from the rest, no one else you speak to really plays me, or has played me in a very long time. i can understand why you think the way you do, and i feel i won't have an opportunity to really play you until KIT in 6 months since your taking a break to change your mind, so if Results truly Speak in Major tournaments in America i am the highest placing flash, if you want to have discrepancy, i beat players at WB who know my play style the best and my tendencies, i had to outplayed each and everyone of them. anyway i get what your saying and i respect your opinion. just don't make it seem like honeybee is the best hands down like its unanimous and the next runner up is light years behind like all other catwoman players are to 16 bit or something.

ok this discussion is ludicrous

You just go do what you do and ill go do what i do

If you're the best you should have planned for the world championship/MLG or a major outside the NE

 

[xWildx]

This "who's best with who" nonsense is getting incredibly old. I swear, people browse through the forums just searching for something to take the wrong way in order to demand the props they feel they deserve. MK9 is to blame, being the first truly competitive game for the majority of members in this community. It was a rush to see who could become the best (does anyone remember the Kitana forums?) and this mindset carried itself over into INJ (WW, SM, GL, AM, etc. OF THE WORLD!!!!) along with the strong sense of entitlement by those who placed well in MK9.

Hopefully at this point (or by the time MKX releases) INJ will have shown this community enough humility so that we may enter MKX with a renewed sense of community. It's perfectly human to want to be known as the best of something, but how you go about achieving it is what gains you respect.

I dunno, fuck it. I'm tired.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

This "who's best with who" nonsense is getting incredibly old. I swear, people browse through the forums just searching for something to take the wrong way in order to demand the props they feel they deserve. MK9 is to blame, being the first truly competitive game for the majority of members in this community. It was a rush to see who could become the best (does anyone remember the Kitana forums?) and this mindset carried itself over into INJ (WW, SM, GL, AM, etc. OF THE WORLD!!!!) along with the strong sense of entitlement by those who placed well in MK9.

Hopefully at this point (or by the time MKX releases) INJ will have shown this community enough humility so that we may enter MKX with a renewed sense of community. It's perfectly human to want to be known as the best of something, but how you go about achieving it is what gains you respect.

I dunno, fuck it. I'm tired.

yea i didnt want 10 pages of my post to be about Zyphox

 

[Mr. Mileena]

Some people are too obsessed with wanting to be the best with a certain character.

It's funny because the ones who show humility are usually the ones who earned their spots.


Anyways!
This was a nice read Pig, glad you're posting again.

 

[Zyphox]

yea i didnt want 10 pages of my post to be about Zyphox

thats what happens everytime you passive aggressively take a stab at me in a post, i msg you on skype about it and didnt get a response so i took it here. but i'll leave it at this, you all made you point, i'm sorry i voice my opinions about certain things instead of "holding it".

 

[Smarrgasm]

@Zyphox you could always just do better and get honeybee himself to admit it

https://twitter.com/llRicoSuavell/status/489935011412733952

:16Bit:16Bit:16Bit:tonyt:tonyt:16Bit

Smarrgasm da bes

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

thats what happens everytime you passive aggressively take a stab at me in a post, i msg you on skype about it and didnt get a response so i took it here. but i'll leave it at this, you all made you point, i'm sorry i voice my opinions about certain things instead of "holding it".

I'm sorry you're acting nutty like an x girlfriend

Next I expect u at my front door begging to stay another night or something w a present of new tech, sorry I didn't respond ASAP on Skype. Wtf do u want

Jesus man , I'm sorry u couldn't attend Evo/MLG/CEO/UFGT/ or anywhere outside NE. I'm sorry I said honeybee is best and didn't name u. I'm sorry I didn't name u directly but next time will, the last thing my OP was about was zyphox. So again I'm done w this discussion. Jesus f ing Christ just shut up god man

You're worse than an x girlfriend

 

[Spletty]

obviously everyone wants to be the best of their character. what is weird to me is seeking the validation of other people. maybe I'm in the minority with that view but i think if you're confident with your play then it doesn't matter what other people think. @HoneyBee very well may be the best flash right now, or it may be @Zyphox. either way, both flashes are amazing.

Love the post @AK Pig Of The Hut. Maybe online won't be so frowned upon now..

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

i respect that but i felt it'd be better for those to say it themselves before i drop names

chef can call anton and ask and anton is probably thinking same i am

do you realize how little sense that even makes?

if someone is talking shit behind someone's back why the fuck would they be like "OH HAHA YEP THAT WAS ME!"

and why would it be better even if they did???

 

[Fromundaman]

One thing I noticed is when i provide my opinion whether correct or not every troll in the world jumped on it. No good ever occured other than me entertaining others with my persistant rage on trolls. So Posting continuously like I use to on TYM has ended and honestly won't come back. I see no reason in posting on TYM, id rather post my thoughts, tech, gameplay, discussions on youtube and skype with my friends in the community. Posting on tym these types of thoughts and discussions added nothing and only bit me in the end.

You know, this sounds exactly like the last 6 pages of this thread...

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

You know, this sounds exactly like the last 6 pages of this thread...

Damn

Good call

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

do you realize how little sense that even makes?

if someone is talking shit behind someone's back why the fuck would they be like "OH HAHA YEP THAT WAS ME!"

and why would it be better even if they did???

Well theo knows who

It's just best I don't publicly name names but they'd do well speaking up and learning from their mistakes

If u don't agree then idk what to tell u.

My only advice to u is don't compare yourself to others who compete and say that if you did you would have comparable results because that's as bad as Fred marvel in every thread/post on TYM

Compete and if you cant or don't then don't claim a victory or placing u never obtained

 

[Juggs]

Good shit @AK Pig Of The Hut

We've had our disagreements before, but you rep the FGC well. Yes, I said the FGC. Not ATL, not NRS... the FGC. No matter how hard it is for the "rest" of the FGC to admit it, we're here and here to stay. Amazing performance at EVO, and awesome post.