Blazblue: Chrono Phantasma-Discussion Thread

[Red Reaper]

this game is a lot of fun, i just hate having to learn a new game ..........
I can't block shit

I was blocking pretty well when I played. Guess it must be that 50/50 blocking Injustice forces you to do...

Rule of thumb, if they're standing and it goes over your head..... ....it's an overhead... lol.

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

blocking every 50/50 in injustice simultaneously is easier than blocking azrael/tao/valk/rachel/etc oki haha

 

[RM Truth]

Then you don't know much about the game, Rachel is already much better than Jina dn Carl has been moving up in 1.0 because more BS is being found for him adn he got pretty much just buffs while Jin got some nerfs.


Just wait for 1.1

Jin nerfs aren't that bad really. Only real nerf is losing the J2C JC loop. I've seen the Carl buffs. They don't really seem all that impressive, and he got a couple of nerfs as well. If he's got some new tech that people are abusing, then I don't know about it, which is possible. I don't agree that Rachel is better than Jin. He has so many heavily favorable MUs. I would put Rachel in top 10 right now, but not better than Jin. Only buff I see Rachel getting is the buff to her 2C. Everything else seems to be a nerf.

EDIT: The buff to the Nirvana Gauge while she's active is pretty good though.

 

[BoricuaHeat]

Anybody up for some games?

 

[Red Reaper]

blocking every 50/50 in injustice simultaneously is easier than blocking azrael/tao/valk/rachel/etc oki haha

Sure seems that way.. But you still have to know what they look like though. lol.

And for someone new, that kan get you. I know what Rachel's overhead looks like kuz Krayzie uses her but not many others.

 

[RM Truth]

Sure seems that way.. But you still have to know what they look like though. lol.

And for someone new, that kan get you. I know what Rachel's overhead looks like kuz Krayzie uses her but not many others.

Instant j.as with wing gauge are way better than her standing overhead.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

@Heroic_Legacy

I just saw you kredited on one of Omex K's videos.. So you play this game for reals?

Mmhmm. Game very fun, and before Kokonoe was very balanced.

I'm very happy to have competent scenes in Chicago to play fighting games with. If people have gameplay questions I'll try my best to answer them here. The more people playing this game the better.

 

[Red Reaper]

Instant j.as with wing gauge are way better than her standing overhead.

Don't think he's done that. He's done the Wind into some twirl shit on me, doubt that's it though..

He doesn't have the game though (because he sold his PS3) so he kan't learn as much as I kan.

 

[Red Reaper]

Mmhmm. Game very fun, and before Kokonoe was very balanced.

I'm very happy to have competent scenes in Chicago to play fighting games with. If people have gameplay questions I'll try my best to answer them here. The more people playing this game the better.

Sweet! I'll bombard you with questions later... lol.

Nah, probably not. Who do you use?

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

I played Tager for 4 years so I can field any questions involving him.

Bullet otherwise. Also have a pocket Amane that isn't too bad.

Oh yeah I forgot that Shitter Kagura. I put tons of training mode into him only to find he was so shit I dropped him instantaneously. I still know too much about him though.

 

[RM Truth]

I played Tager for 4 years so I can field any questions involving him.

Bullet otherwise. Also have a pocket Amane that isn't too bad.

Oh yeah I forgot that Shitter Kagura. I put tons of training mode into him only to find he was so shit I dropped him instantaneously. I still know too much about him though.

Is he going to be better with the buffs? I find him interesting.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

Kagura? Possibly. They dropped some damage on him but gave him the ability to actually use his sword normals since they were 20f+ startup and - on block before. He also has safe slide now so he has a way to get in and frame trap with DP without getting surefire punished.

 

[Red Reaper]

I played Tager for 4 years so I can field any questions involving him.

Bullet otherwise. Also have a pocket Amane that isn't too bad.

Oh yeah I forgot that Shitter Kagura. I put tons of training mode into him only to find he was so shit I dropped him instantaneously. I still know too much about him though.

Kool. I hate grapplers so if I find issues with him I'll ask you. I'm glad he's apparently low tier.. lol. Though I'm sure you're not.

Do you know of any interesting characters that kompliment Hazama in terms of match ups and weaknesses? From what I notice his defense kan be weak in some instances since he's not good at footsie range and he needs meter for Houtenjin. I was going to use Mu but she looks meter dependent for damage.

PS: I like kancels (like stance kancels) so if a character has that I might lean more towards them.

 

[RM Truth]

Don't think he's done that. He's done the Wind into some twirl shit on me, doubt that's it though..

He doesn't have the game though (because he sold his PS3) so he kan't learn as much as I kan.

When you're pressuring with her, if you do instant j.a and pull yourself down with the wind, you create an unreactable instant overhead that you can combo off of. I think j.a is somewhere around 5 frames.

 

[RM Truth]

Kool. I hate grapplers so if I find issues with him I'll ask you. I'm glad he's apparently low tier.. lol. Though I'm sure you're not.

Do you know of any interesting characters that kompliment Hazama in terms of match ups and weaknesses? From what I notice his defense kan be weak in some instances since he's not good at footsie range and he needs meter for Houtenjin. I was going to use Mu but she looks meter dependent for damage.

PS: I like kancels (like stance kancels) so if a character has that I might lean more towards them.

Kagura has stances that he cancels into. Nu-13 has 2 stances that she switches between a lot. I don't know about either of them complimenting his bad MUs though.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

Kool. I hate grapplers so if I find issues with him I'll ask you. I'm glad he's apparently low tier.. lol. Though I'm sure you're not.

Do you know of any interesting characters that kompliment Hazama in terms of match ups and weaknesses? From what I notice his defense kan be weak in some instances since he's not good at footsie range and he needs meter for Houtenjin. I was going to use Mu but she looks meter dependent for damage.

PS: I like kancels (like stance kancels) so if a character has that I might lean more towards them.

Hazama is currently top 5 because his mobility and offense is ridiculously strong. He kinda doesn't need a secondary character for his matchups since he basically wins them all outside of Koko Valk and Tao who all can maneuver just as well as he can and have better normals/damage. He has some serious frame advantage on his 2A 6B and 5B so be sure to use those normals to stagger and frame trap people into getting hit. As for bad defense, he can just instant block and backdash. Alternatively, Houtenjin into 6,000+ damage.

Mu-12 is most definitely NOT meter dependant. She is on the top 5 high damage BnBs off common starters hitting around 4k meterless off 6B or 5C on crouching confirm. She has good range and speed and has a great backdash and an armored DP that can't be safe jumped. She is great at momentum and reversing it and she controls a good majority of the screen between steins and normals. Definitely not a bad pick for a character. Easily top 10 at the moment. Her problems are she can't stop mobile characters very easily and she has a lot of gaps in her strings that allow the opponent to reversal out of putting her on the defensive side of the game.

 

[TKB]

What lists??

The tier lists from the previous page. I was really into calamity trigger but haven't played these as much since so I don't know CP as well.

 

[Red Reaper]

The tier lists from the previous page. I was really into calamity trigger but haven't played these as much since so I don't know CP as well.

I looked through the pages didn't see a list...

Hazama is currently top 5 because his mobility and offense is ridiculously strong. He kinda doesn't need a secondary character for his matchups since he basically wins them all outside of Koko Valk and Tao who all can maneuver just as well as he can and have better normals/damage. He has some serious frame advantage on his 2A 6B and 5B so be sure to use those normals to stagger and frame trap people into getting hit. As for bad defense, he can just instant block and backdash. Alternatively, Houtenjin into 6,000+ damage.

Mu-12 is most definitely NOT meter dependant. She is on the top 5 high damage BnBs off common starters hitting around 4k meterless off 6B or 5C on crouching confirm. She has good range and speed and has a great backdash and an armored DP that can't be safe jumped. She is great at momentum and reversing it and she controls a good majority of the screen between steins and normals. Definitely not a bad pick for a character. Easily top 10 at the moment. Her problems are she can't stop mobile characters very easily and she has a lot of gaps in her strings that allow the opponent to reversal out of putting her on the defensive side of the game.

I'm guessing 6,000+ is just an exaggeration to get the point across. lol.

Haven't seen Mu get 4k meterless. And I was thinking that she would mostly get hits against standing opponents since they would be trying to get in on her? (ie: running or dashing = standing hitbox?) Part of the reason I was thinking Mu was also to stop Valk from rawring around since her beams kan check him from staying in Wolf but you said she kan't stop mobile characters too well?

What about Lambda? How does she do against Valk and how does she kompare to Mu? And is there anything technical about Ragna that might make him interesting?

I'm like in a character krisis for a secondary.. lol. And yes I know I don't technically need one but I'm not good yet and don't understand as much so having two different perspectives might help me understand things better or get me wins easier. Haha.

 

[Red Reaper]

Kagura has stances that he cancels into. Nu-13 has 2 stances that she switches between a lot. I don't know about either of them complimenting his bad MUs though.

Kagura looks boring.. lol. I guess I meant stance kancels more like in baiting or rushing down.

More Flash/Arrow and less Nightwing I guess.

 

[RM Truth]

I looked through the pages didn't see a list...



I'm guessing 6,000+ is just an exaggeration to get the point across. lol.

Haven't seen Mu get 4k meterless. And I was thinking that she would mostly get hits against standing opponents since they would be trying to get in on her? (ie: running or dashing = standing hitbox?) Part of the reason I was thinking Mu was also to stop Valk from rawring around since her beams kan check him from staying in Wolf but you said she kan't stop mobile characters too well?

What about Lambda? How does she do against Valk and how does she kompare to Mu? And is there anything technical about Ragna that might make him interesting?

I'm like in a character krisis for a secondary.. lol. And yes I know I don't technically need one but I'm not good yet and don't understand as much so having two different perspectives might help me understand things better or get me wins easier. Haha.

No, it's actually around 6000 dmg.

On crouchers, Mu can hit 5C/6B, 6C, 63214B, j2D, 44, jC, j2C and pick the combo back up for around 4k meterless damage. You can also end the combo with an oki setup with the explosion special for a little less damage.

 

[Red Reaper]

No, it's actually around 6000 dmg.

On crouchers, Mu can hit 5C/6B, 6C, 63214B, j2D, 44, jC, j2C and pick the combo back up for around 4k meterless damage. You can also end the combo with an oki setup with the explosion special for a little less damage.

Not after the patch... And wait, what's the 6K kombo off of raw Houtenjin?

I'll have to try it out.

 

[RM Truth]

Not after the patch... And wait, what's the 6K kombo off of raw Houtenjin?

I'll have to try it out.

I looked at her patch notes. I don't see anything that would prevent her from getting that damage now.

The houtenjin combo is the one I showed you that leads into the jC loop. I do a shorter version, because I keep dropping it, but I believe if you use stance 66 devouring fang instead of rising fang, you can keep the combo going longer. Not sure though.

 

[Red Reaper]

I looked at her patch notes. I don't see anything that would prevent her from getting that damage now.

The houtenjin combo is the one I showed you that leads into the jC loop. I do a shorter version, because I keep dropping it, but I believe if you use stance 66 devouring fang instead of rising fang, you can keep the combo going longer. Not sure though.

My first statement was in response to your first statement. My second was in response to your second. (Just like right now.)

Oh, alright then. I kould've sworn that did like 5K.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

The steins don't keep good Valks out of wolf form. By the time you put a stein out he wolf dashes to you and forces you to block, negating your stein firing and pressures you.

 

[RM Truth]

I've found that Valkenhayn seems to be a good compliment to Hazama. His MUs that he seems to struggle in are Valk, Tao, Kokonoe, and possibly Litchi. With the exception of Kokonoe, Valkenhayn seems to beat or go even with all of those characters.