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Perfect Legend

Kombatant
NCR is a side tournament for IGAU.

I know you hate how EC has many majors a year and have always been vocal on how you do not consider many of them real majors. I agree that some of them are more like mid-majors then majors but there are a few that should be higher.
I put it there for myself as a reference for where they have certain tournaments listed. I'm not using it.
I don't understand? If were counting the game from launch how is PL ranked way over Tom and right under a guy who has placed at every tournament he has ever been to in every era of the game.
Wrong. UFGT didn't make top 16, EVO didn't make top 16, not sure what place he got at ceo I don't have brackets im not sure if he made top 16 at evo. He didn't make top 16 at tfc or nec. dfn not sure where he placed but not top 8. WB he finally got 4th. FR idk maybe top 16? idk

But your statement is wrong.

I'm not blowing up tom just stating facts
 
NCR is a side tournament for IGAU.

I know you hate how EC has many majors a year and have always been vocal on how you do not consider many of them real majors. I agree that some of them are more like mid-majors then majors but there are a few that should be higher.
NCR Injustice is cancelled because it got less than 8 entrants.
 

deathblooms2k4

Apprentice
The SRK ranking system is a great one but the weights of tournaments are Street Fighter specific. A committee assigned the points based on prestige/perception.

If you want to follow that model you would need to form a committee and rate tournaments for Injustice.
Seems like this would be helpful in general regardless of the system chosen. And this makes much more sense as it's based on the specific tournaments, not their location. It works for the most popular games in the genre, why reinvent the wheel.
 

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
I voted for Pig's presentation because it made a lot of sense at the time...then Jaxel came in there and had arguable debates about the pros and cons. The Jaxel/tennis sytem is far better in my opinion, but obviously you guys would have to figure out which tournaments are the biggest for NRS games. If the WC wants points they should travel to the east as much as they can and vice versa. No side should be punished for having more or a lack of tournaments. That is no ones fault, but the coasts.
 
International: VxG, TFC, NEC, WB, ECT, UFGT, MLG, PU, DFN, apex
Series: Youmacon, SJ, KIT, civil war
...saying vxg or youmacon in the same sentence as tfc kit makes this a flawed system.

first thing i thought when i saw this. "ohhh boy another carl ranking system. it must put him really high or he wouldn't have posted it"

carl in injustice.
- attended multiple majors and got blown up at all of them except CEO when he used pre patch scorp.
- 2nd ff, a regional
- 1st vxg, 20 man tournament with only 4-5 notable players

but he is ranked higher... than... welll lets just use me.

Summer Jam
- 7th, >100 entrants

TFC
- 5th, >140 entrants

Youmacon
- 2nd, 36 entrants, a regional

Final Round
- 127 entrants, 4th place finish

so i ask... should carl be higher than me? i am not flaming or mad. but i keep seeing thread after thread after thread where carl keeps hyping himself up.

THE MAN WON A LOCAL IN ATLANTA AND MADE A POST ABOUT IT TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF IN THE 3RD PERSON. IT WAS A LOCAL, A LOCAL!
 
perfect legend ranked above forever king in injustice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
king has like 6 top 8s and won a major!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! carl..,.. not even close

i am trying very hard to just stay objective and be honest an humble. but this has to stop. carl tailor makes these rankings to make himself look way better than he is in injustice. just... wow.
 
NCR is a side tournament for IGAU.

I know you hate how EC has many majors a year and have always been vocal on how you do not consider many of them real majors. I agree that some of them are more like mid-majors then majors but there are a few that should be higher.
just ignore carl dude... he is out of his mind man. putting him above king is all you need to know. carl is trying so hard to make himself look better than he is in this game.
 

bavobbr

Noob
The SRK ranking system is pretty much an exact copy of my system, except more limited since it doesn't allow "claiming".

They probably just stated its from the "Woman's" association to try to pretend its different from mine. I have a lot of beef with those guys and they would rather not give credence to any work I've done.

*EDIT* In fact, they go further to pretend its different in their FAQ where they talk about tournaments being rated based on "weight" of the relative skill of the top 8 players... but then immediately afterwards completely contradict this statement by clearly defining static and flat point values for tournaments.

It also looks like they don't "stale" out older rankings, nor do they put an emphasis on limiting result totals... so even though its the same system, they score a flat amount, don't stale old rankings, and give advantages to people who can attend the most events. If anything, the way they use the system gives more precedence to Pig of the Hut's complaints than mine. Since mine is specifically designed to fight against the idea of "east coast having more majors".
While I am sure you and your ideas are great, you are a little bit heavy on the conspiracy side of things. There is inconvenient truth to this; I started the ranking site as a pure SF4 ranking hosted at http://sf4ranking.bavobbr.eu.cloudbees.net, and I wanted like a few others to do a better job at ranking players in a top 50 then Eventhubs did.
To eliminate favoritism and bias I wanted to base it on some neutral scoring system, knowing that if you make it fair enough and put in enough data, quality should come out on top. I did not know of any systems, but I figured that Tennis has the same league formats and 1-on-1 approach, and WTA is popular in Belgium (we had many top10 players and even a few ranked 1) so I took off with that.

To eliminate bias as much as possible I needed to honor people for wins regarding the difficulty level of winning it. That requires me to rank tournaments, and that is different than WTA. The rank is not decided beforehand, but after the top32 (if available) is known. Then the players get assigned points.
However to start of ranking tournaments you need some system to tell you why EVO is harder than for example CEO. This is where player weight comes in, and a littler bit of bias. I assigned skill weights to all players I knew, and take the average of the best 8 (not necessarily the top finishing 8) in the tournament. The idea was to auto-update skill weights after the system got enough data, to correct my bias, but it would still be the result of an initial bias so it is not fool-proof. At least it would be recursive. I did not implement this yet, currently I manually update player weight when I see he is performing different than I expected. The manual process does give me a benefit: people who rank high because they maxed out their tournament attendance (which actually is limited to 16) can still have a lower skill than the ones who play little tournaments (think Daigo) but when they do wins most of them.

To cover your other points:
- you can only get scores for your best 16 tournaments, in SF4:AE2012 the top 50 players almost all have reached this limit and thus need to do very well to get more points (better than their worst performance in their top 16)
- there is no time limit but SF4 for example uses Version as the window, which doesn't last longer than 2 years. The scoring is new for USF4 for example
- to rank high you need to attend tournaments, and those who live in regions that don't have them wont rank well. That's logical if you want a tournament ranking system. They need to come out and play, it reflects the best tournament player not the best player. A player can always have a hand in increasing his ranking by making results public (so we can find them), even if the tournament is small and ranks low. It will rank and the chances are the player weights will get adjusted over time which will rank it better
- the ranking is completely dynamic, you can get high points early due to the system thinking your tournament was the best thing next to EVO, but each time a new tournament is registered the system will update ALL the scoring, to make sure it ages beautifully.

Regards
 

bavobbr

Noob
Oh yes, I applaud any new systems you develop here. The cool thing is that you will be able to compare them to the SRK ranking as soon as I get the games and data in, and you can rest assured that I did not bias anything as I don't have any favorites, I just run data through an existing system that is tried and proven (you can debate that) with SF4
When I launch I will come to ask feedback about data correctness
 

ReD WolF

Lord of the Drip
perfect legend ranked above forever king in injustice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
king has like 6 top 8s and won a major!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! carl..,.. not even close

i am trying very hard to just stay objective and be honest an humble. but this has to stop. carl tailor makes these rankings to make himself look way better than he is in injustice. just... wow.

I have to agree. It's a little ridiculous at this point. There is no way in hell PL should be ranked near King or really you for that matter. Pre or post patch.
 

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
just ignore carl dude... he is out of his mind man. putting him above king is all you need to know. carl is trying so hard to make himself look better than he is in this game.
In all honesty, its really not a bad system at all...you guys just need to pick which majors matter the most in the NRS community just like SRK did with SF.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
In all honesty, its really not a bad system at all...you guys just need to pick which majors matter the most in the NRS community just like SRK did with SF.
As I said about 5 times in another chat...this.

before we can rank anything we really need to determine just what our majors are.
 

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
As I said about 5 times in another chat...this.

before we can rank anything we really need to determine just what our majors are.
And I agree 100% with you. I've also stated this multiple times before this thread was made, but everyone involved wants it their way and treats everyone else like a idiot. Off the top of my head...FR, SCR, NEC, EVO, CEO, and ECT should be majors for this game. Those have always received a lot of entrants(including MK days) and people travel from different regions to participate.