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making 9th and beating americas best player doesnt really define getting bopped
Nigga foxy garbage. He was hyped to win EVO for FREE, and lost to our mid tier mk9 players like krazie, and had no idea how to even fight the kabal MU when he ran into CDjr. Don't even get me started on the team tournament.
 
Online, that place where pl and king and foxy train and is the reason they're any good. And yeah, u do good against kung lao. I did good against king. U might of played more laos then me but were they much better than king any way? Foxy doesn't use magic in the mu, he uses jk dk, which if done right is not punishable on reaction with d2 like i saw u do king at ufgt. And he plays safer, which most laos seem to not know how to do.
 

coolwhip

Noob
Ok man. No disrespect to you but then u really dk what im talking about then. I know how forever king plays, its nothing like foxy's. People hear me say that he just jk dk's and think its stupid but if u havent played foxy then guys, u dont get it. U think if d2 was simply the answer i wouldn't know it? U can't react to it with d2 . I've played king and foxy back to back and its MUCH harder to beat foxy's lao in that mu because of his tactic and safer playing. U guys are theory fighting, i'm telling u my experience with it. It's great in this mu.
MK rebeloing in 2014?
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
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I cannot believe Dizzy is still engaging in this conversation. Must be bored at work.
 
Lol, is soul seriously implying that Dizzy a top ten all time MK9 player isn't qualified to speak on a Cage MU cause he didn't play a player who came to our country and got bopped lool?
Ha, Foxy is just as good as any top player. Anyone who has played him will tell u that and its silly to say other wise. And dizzy, a great player who has accomplished a lot, is definately qualified to talk about the lao mu but he isn't qualified to say he knows the answers to a play style he has NO experience playing against. How could he be?
 
Hmm. I didn't understand why my view on the lao mu wasn't taken seriously. Everyone seemed to decide with dizzy just because he is dizzy. He's good but he admitted to never even playing against it and didn't have any good arguement against it except, i beat forever king at ufgt. I don't get the disrespect. Mike metroid put up a tier list that said it was 5-5 . Dizzy said it was in cages favor. We've both played against lao on the same level and I also feel it is in cage's favor, unless its against foxy, someone who he hasn't played against, and he gets to say I'm wrong just because and everyone seemed to agree with him. I don't get the logic there. I wish we could have a real discussion about something that could really change the mu. I know this game is dead but that's one thing in mk that never got fully fleshed out because it wasn't realized until late in the games life.
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
@Soul Bound X - It's not about some superiority complex of Dizzy being Dizzy. Or that he beat someone else's Lao (he also beat King's Kenshi and Freddy with Cage in that set, go figure) Fact of the matter is, GGA flat out has superior resources to us, and I have to admit, as a team in general, they've been one of the best in the business when it comes to breaking down and deciphering the cornerstones of MK9's meta. You're right to point out that the game wasn't fully fleshed out, not even close, especially in regards to Kung Lao, a character with almost infinite potential, anyone noticed that every time the community attempts to sieve Lao out of the top 5 (albeit, 90% of the time it's because they're trying to upplay Kenshi in the process, lol), he ends up coming back and runs riot on the vast majority of the contingent? But going on a whim playing online is kinda counter-productive.

Nigga foxy garbage. He was hyped to win EVO for FREE, and lost to our mid tier mk9 players like krazie, and had no idea how to even fight the kabal MU when he ran into CDjr. Don't even get me started on the team tournament.
I think you're forgetting why REO had that kneejerk character crisis back then. And again, that's a hilarious assessment considering how many players were free to Jax's whack, makeshift rushdown, accusing F413 of being a block infinite, having random advantage etc.
 

Whitefox

Noob
Baraka- 6/4
Cyber Sub-Zero- 5/5
Cyrax- 5/5
Ermac- 5/5
Freddy- 4/6
Jade- 7/3
Jax- 6/4
Kabal- 3/7
Kano- 8/2
Kenshi- 3/7
Kitana- 5/5
Kung Lao- 5/5
Liu Kang- 5/5
Mileena- 7/3
Nightwolf- 8/2
Noob- 7/3
Quan- 7/3
Raiden- 6/4
Rain- 6/4
Reptile- 5/5
Scorpion- 6/4
Sektor- 5/5
Shang- 5/5
Sheeva- 8/2
Sindel- 6/4
Skarlet- 5/5
Smoke- 6/4
Sonya- 4/6
Stryker- 7/3
Sub-Zero- 4/6

Updated for the hell of it

I agree with the scorpion MU, but I feel JC vs KL is 6-4
 
Imo foxy played lao how he was supposed to be played (the whole theory behind the character). PL and King had better results, but that could be for whatever reason, more experience, more chances to prove themeselves and maybe they were just better players. Being a better lao doesnt necessarily mean you are playing the character to its 100% potential it could just mean they were better players.
 

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Imo foxy played lao how he was supposed to be played (the whole theory behind the character). PL and King had better results, but that could be for whatever reason, more experience, more chances to prove themeselves and maybe they were just better players. Being a better lao doesnt necessarily mean you are playing the character to its 100% potential it could just mean they were better players.
Theory ≠ Better
 
@Soul Bound X - It's not about some superiority complex of Dizzy being Dizzy. Or that he beat someone else's Lao (he also beat King's Kenshi and Freddy with Cage in that set, go figure) Fact of the matter is, GGA flat out has superior resources to us, and I have to admit, as a team in general, they've been one of the best in the business when it comes to breaking down and deciphering the cornerstones of MK9's meta. You're right to point out that the game wasn't fully fleshed out, not even close, especially in regards to Kung Lao, a character with almost infinite potential, anyone noticed that every time the community attempts to sieve Lao out of the top 5 (albeit, 90% of the time it's because they're trying to upplay Kenshi in the process, lol), he ends up coming back and runs riot on the vast majority of the contingent? But going on a whim playing online is kinda counter-productive.



I think you're forgetting why REO had that kneejerk character crisis back then. And again, that's a hilarious assessment considering how many players were free to Jax's whack, makeshift rushdown, accusing F413 of being a block infinite, having random advantage etc.
Playing online is counter productive? Some of the best players only played off line at tournaments and got most mu experience online. And i dont understand this dismissing of bird lao like its nothing important. Like, "what the hell does foxy know." GGa is great at breaking down the game but so is the uk. I wasn't trying to make this about foxy but only his unique dumb broken play style, but since he keeps getting brought up: this kinda reminds me of when foxy also said the cage-kitana mu was even and 16 bit and others tried to dis miss it, as if he was dumb. He said u "just red kick" . Ofcourse he was right and its not heavily in kitanas favor (as dizzy and 16 bit know now better than anyone) . But the point it he wasn't theory fighting like they were, he was talking from experience. And the same thing is happening now. When a good player like foxy says hey, i've came up with this really broken play style with kung lao and i've been using it on people and it works so well in alot of mu's, why do people just dis miss it with theory fighting when he is talking from ACTUAL experience? No logic there what so ever.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
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Dizzy isn't theory fighting, he told you he put in work into the play style. He looked into his options, tested it and has applied it. Everyone is dismissing you because we all assume you're not at Dizzy's level and no one cares about the cult of Foxy in 2014.
 
Dizzy isn't theory fighting, he told you he put in work into the play style. He looked into his options, tested it and has applied it. Everyone is dismissing you because we all assume you're not at Dizzy's level and no one cares about the cult of Foxy in 2014.
Dizzy said king was better than pl so im guessing he thinks he's the best. And i could beat him. Ask him yourself. Theres only so many ways to play cage, he's not a complex character. If he's better, he isn't by that much in this mu. I know he said he applied it to his game but he obviously isn't doing something right if he doesn't think its good at all. This isn't even about foxy. Foxy is not the main subject here. Its about how he played the mu against me using a tactic he created that could change the mu numbers. Idk how many other cages he played using bird lao but I wish I wasn't the only one backing this up. @CURBOLICOUS ???? I know I'm not the only one who played against his bird lao
 

CURBOLICOUS

Cage ban wagon?
Dizzy said king was better than pl so im guessing he thinks he's the best. And i could beat him. Ask him yourself. Theres only so many ways to play cage, he's not a complex character. If he's better, he isn't by that much in this mu. I know he said he applied it to his game but he obviously isn't doing something right if he doesn't think its good at all. This isn't even about foxy. Foxy is not the main subject here. Its about how he played the mu against me using a tactic he created that could change the mu numbers. Idk how many other cages he played using bird lao but I wish I wasn't the only one backing this up. @CURBOLICOUS ???? I know I'm not the only one who played against his bird lao
I can't say. I feel I played that MU Really well but I never played another cage on mine or dizzys level to actually determine how the MU was offline. Imo I think I played it the best. I don't lose to any kung Laos online or offline with cage so I'm not sure what that MU is. I've said 5-5 and sometimes 6-4. I'm 7-3 vs kung Laos. And imo I feel like kung Lao wasn't played at the highest level. After the game ran it's course I believe 2013 king had a better Lao then anyone who ever played him. Even tho he was the best I don't feel like he was still playing him at the highest level. King still couldn't beat top cages and he also claimed it was 4-6. No1 will know since the game is dead. And you can't go based off of online games c'mon now. Idc how good you think your connection is its not offline.
 

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
I can't say. I feel I played that MU Really well but I never played another cage on mine or dizzys level to actually determine how the MU was offline. Imo I think I played it the best. I don't lose to any kung Laos online or offline with cage so I'm not sure what that MU is. I've said 5-5 and sometimes 6-4. I'm 7-3 vs kung Laos. And imo I feel like kung Lao wasn't played at the highest level. After the game ran it's course I believe 2013 king had a better Lao then anyone who ever played him. Even tho he was the best I don't feel like he was still playing him at the highest level. King still couldn't beat top cages and he also claimed it was 4-6. No1 will know since the game is dead. And you can't go based off of online games c'mon now. Idc how good you think your connection is its not offline.
I need your help with the KL MU then, @FOREVER KING keeps bopping me at tournaments

@GGA Dizzy I need to know your anti sonya tech @SonicFox5000 keeps babying me ;~;
 

Dizzy

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I need your help with the KL MU then, @FOREVER KING keeps bopping me at tournaments

@GGA Dizzy I need to know your anti sonya tech @SonicFox5000 keeps babying me ;~;
Haha. Well if you think he is going to EX cartwheel, do F3 buffering EX nutpunch and if you see the armor flash do it, otherwise dont. Thats the best anti sonya tech ive got and I learned it from @Maxter actually a long time ago. Very few cages use this but its quite hard to do.
 

CURBOLICOUS

Cage ban wagon?
I need your help with the KL MU then, @FOREVER KING keeps bopping me at tournaments

@GGA Dizzy I need to know your anti sonya tech @SonicFox5000 keeps babying me ;~;
You just have to play careful and not let him go crazy on you and hen you have him corned Ggs. For Sonya Tbh I think f3 into ex.nutpunch is too hard. I don't think you can do it on reaction it's more of a read. Unless there's video of someone reacting to it 10 out of 10 times then I don't believe it. I do standing 1 then block if I think he will do cartwheels after a frame trap or string on hit. If you 1 block ull recover fast enough to block cartwheels and if he jumps ull hit him with 1 and u CAN react with f3 nutpunch.
 
You just have to play careful and not let him go crazy on you and hen you have him corned Ggs. For Sonya Tbh I think f3 into ex.nutpunch is too hard. I don't think you can do it on reaction it's more of a read. Unless there's video of someone reacting to it 10 out of 10 times then I don't believe it. I do standing 1 then block if I think he will do cartwheels after a frame trap or string on hit. If you 1 block ull recover fast enough to block cartwheels and if he jumps ull hit him with 1 and u CAN react with f3 nutpunch.
yeah throwing out a fast recovering normal just to be safe is what I do against a lot of armor moves as well, works very well.
 

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
You just have to play careful and not let him go crazy on you and hen you have him corned Ggs. For Sonya Tbh I think f3 into ex.nutpunch is too hard. I don't think you can do it on reaction it's more of a read. Unless there's video of someone reacting to it 10 out of 10 times then I don't believe it. I do standing 1 then block if I think he will do cartwheels after a frame trap or string on hit. If you 1 block ull recover fast enough to block cartwheels and if he jumps ull hit him with 1 and u CAN react with f3 nutpunch.
Honestly I think the huge issue is that lil bastard gets me with that 7f dive kick.