Perfect Legend vs King. What really happened.

[TotteryManx]

@STORMS shouldnt this thread be closed since @Perfect Legend hasnt made a statement yet?

lol

 

[CrimsonShadow]

OK consider how badly this can go, a Cyborg player plays against a Grundy player and has the life-lead through zoning and he knows that the only way he could lose is if he was stuck in the corner. Cyborg has around 40% life left on his first bar, and Grundy has around 60% on his second bar but the Cyborg player realizes that he will soon be cornering himself in the corner where Grundy excels (can do 100%+ damage combos in the corner, And he can get his defense trait out nullifying Cyborg's Zoning). So this Cyborg player has a "Hardware malfunction" or "pauses" by accident, maybe his finger slipped because he was "concentrating" too hard and forgot where the buttons were, or the battery "fell" out because it was loose.

So what happens now? Does the Cyborg player lose the 40% off the first lifebar and that is all he lost to create space, or to cause the Grundy player to lose momentum? Perhaps he should lose around 60% of his second lifebar to make it even? How does one measure how much life a person should lose if they get paused, how can they be perfectly accurate? Because if you say a 100% life bar needs to go then you have to be sure to the to the exact percentage wise they have to lose that much and it would be impossible because every character has different damages. Grundy needs every pixel he can get in this matchup because it is so hard to catch a Cyborg so even if you give him a small inch of space he would be able to take advantage of the lost momentum and find a way to escape Grundy's loving arms, so even if Grundy and Cyborg have a similar life percentage, Cyborg is still heavily favored untill Grundy can catch him do huge damage and get his defense trait on and that can only be achieved by catching Cyborg in a combo.

Have the Grundy player take the rest of the Cyborg's life bar, however he wants (direct damage, no stalling/whiffing). The position they're left in is where the match starts. So the Grundy player can setup where he pleases. The Cyborg player can't be picky about positioning since it was his malfunction and he's lucky he's not getting DQ'ed.

Easy and straightforward -- so I don't see the issues.

The Grundy player would still have the option to take the entire match, so they'd only play it out if both players agreed to do so. The Grundy player has absolutely 0 to lose.

Again to be 100% clear, if the Grundy player felt at all that he was being shafted, he could just take the match. So playing it out is only a gesture of goodwill. Let him take the rest of the life bar and continue.

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

Only thing that pissed me off was:

I went to SummerJam 7 last year and we were playing in a team tournament match, a known marvel player's stick paused on us, but since "he was comboing when he paused" we didn't have the option to take the match. I completely understood that. How is it, that PL who was COMBOING King got DQed? He could have just unpaused and finished his combo...

Because when someone drops a combo in tournament they lose out on the potential damage that proper execution would have awarded them.

PL DROPPED HIS COMBO LITERALLY.

 

[chemist4hire]

Have the Grundy player take the rest of the Cyborg's life bar, however he wants. The position they're left in is where the match starts. So the Grundy player can setup where he pleases. The Cyborg player can't be picky about positioning since it was his malfunction and he's lucky he's not getting DQ'ed.

Easy and straightforward -- I don't see the issues.

The issue is meter. And in this game meter can be cashed in for extra life. By letting the grundy freely punish the cyborg player, without the cyborg player retaliating, you are giving the cyborg the advantage in the next round.

 

[TotteryManx]

I totally forgot how IGAU's life bars work in this game. I guess one would have to take a whole game, but during his own combo? Someone just posted people have let that rock on before. I don't understand.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

Edit in op

 

[7L]

@7L with the saltybet handoff.

@SonicFox5000 Bodied my wallet lmao

 

[FrothyOmen]

Can't there just be a rule already where it is an automatic loss so you don't have to even have the option to try to make a player look like a scumbag?

Seriously. People need to stop being so scrubby with their equipment. Invest in something that works and just be done with it, I don't understand all these pad troubles. I did it at like 2 tourneys and have said fuck that ever since, dunno why it's not common practice.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

The issue is meter. And in this game meter can be cashed in for extra life. By letting the grundy freely punish the cyborg player, without the cyborg player retaliating, you are giving the cyborg the advantage in the next round.

It's a tradeoff. If the Grundy player feels that giving the Cyborg player a little bit of meter in exchange for taking the entire rest of his life bar and possibly being granted better position is a fair deal, maybe he'll choose to play it out.

If he doesn't, he just takes the match.

It's a win/win situation for the Grundy player -- all this does is set out a procedure to follow in the case that he decides to be a nice guy and keep playing.

 

[REDRUM]

 

[chemist4hire]

To me this should not be an issue. As long as the player is inflicting the damage via straightforward means (rather than sitting there and whiffing for hours or tossing minor projectiles), then that's the price you pay for having essentially DQ'ed yourself and having been granted clemency.

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I am a bit confused. The cyborg player is the one who pauses and is the one being granted the advantage afterwards (Not the Grundy player) . The only fair thing really is to give the game to the grundy player, because if he decides to just take the cyborg players remaining life bar, he has just put himself in a bad situation for the next round by giving the cyborg player meter that can be used to either punish him or traded in for life.

 

[JDM]

wow PL is even a bigger baby than I thought... I understand hes mad but why is that an excuse to act like a 6 year old

Sacrifice your time into going to tournaments, being financially dependent on tournaments and get BSed out of a win and tell me you wouldn't get pissed.

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

You guys in this thread have opened my eyes to the injustices (no pun) that take place in the competitive world. Anderson Silva should have been allowed to finish his combo on Chris Weidman after he broke his leg in half on his shin, true story.

 

[chemist4hire]

Do you really need the start button for this game anyway? Why not just remove it from your tournament pad.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Chemist it's a tradeoff. If the Grundy player feels that giving the Cyborg player a little bit of meter in exchange for taking the entire rest of his life bar and possibly being granted better position is a fair deal, maybe he'll choose to play it out.

If he doesn't, he just takes the match.

It's a win/win situation for the Grundy player -- all this does is set out a procedure to follow in the case that he decides to be a nice guy and keep playing.

Do you really need the start button for this game anyway? Why not just remove it from your tournament pad.

The issue here wasn't a start button being pressed -- it was a controller desync.

 

[Dirtylova]

Hijacked .

Completely off topic but, can you get the brackets, or some kinda list as to who eliminated who throughout the tourney? Like who eliminated Murk, tom,Viking,pig, etc.

 

[Art]

You know I think King had something to do with it. It was a bit too obvious as PL quit and King was handed off a wad of cash after the fact. With King's shit-eating grin it looked as though there may have been some sort of "underhandedness" going down that may have caused the game to pause. I'm sorry but faces never lie!

 

[chemist4hire]

The issue here wasn't a start button being pressed -- it was a controller desync.

How I long for the old days when wireless was not the default and when it was an option, you needed a giant dongle.

 

[Barracuda Deathwish]

Sacrifice your time into going to tournaments, being financially dependent on tournaments and get BSed out of a win and tell me you wouldn't get pissed.

I think people who become financially dependent on tournaments, if anything, should be much more wary of the rules than a casual player.

 

[Rude]

So, what did PL think screaming at....was it Phil? Or Shock? I'm not sure. Anyway, what did he think screaming to the whole room about laggy monitors was going to accomplish?

 

[JDM]

I think people who become financially dependent on tournaments, if anything, should be much more wary of the rules than a casual player.

Stuff happens, man.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Completely off topic but, can you get the brackets, or some kinda list as to who eliminated who throughout the tourney? Like who eliminated Murk, tom,Viking,pig, etc.

Your best shot is to ask @Shock or @Mikemetroid and see if they kept them around.

 

[Mikemetroid]

Your best shot is to ask @Shock or @Mikemetroid and see if they kept them around.

Man I wasn't even at FR if anything FR guys have it

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Man I wasn't even at FR if anything FR guys have it

I always imagine you as the Official Director of KN Archives and Records.. Hehe

 

[KH StarCharger]

regardless of how this went down, King was in the right to get that win and PL was pigheaded all weekend long. (It all started with the deal during the thursday tourney with Noobe and his stick). Karma has a wicked sense of humor and it takes no prisoners.