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Marvaz

Marvaz

come at me
Ok guys so i was holding out on making this thread until after evo. Many of you have been probably wondering when and how to add jc B2 unblockable into your game. I found out many ways to do so but here are 3 ways that are good to use IMO.

**These are not garuanteed, but if you are reading your opponents habits then they are a very valuable tool IMO. Again IMO lol.

Playing at evo i was able to show these to some people like, sao, wonderchef, shoryuken, etc.

I have one of my examples here. at 4:20
at 1:32:38
http://www.twitch.tv/s1lent1/b/291989846

If u do 2 then b2 it catches people doing a normal get up.

Other 2 ways i will reveal right now. In corner-

21f2,2,2,2,21f2, b2. at 1:37:50
http://www.twitch.tv/s1lent1/b/291989846


f4,b2

The beauty of these setups are once u get your opponent to react to this you can always cancel and punish any attempted wake up attack or jump. If anyone else says they came up with these, they are wrong. I have been doing this since late .may-early june.
 
Asodimazze

Asodimazze

https://twitter.com/AlfioZacco
Thanks for sharing but I believe this trick is almost useless (even if you are reading your opponent habit right).

1) - Edit: I totally misreaded the post...sorry

2) In every situation you described you could continue your combo and finish it with nutpunch, which is 1000% better imho
 
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evansgambit

Guardian of Outworld
Asodimazze said:
In every situation you described you could continue your combo and finish it with nutpunch, which is 1000% better imho
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I'd give it a run through first. It's a gamble, that if pays off, will net him a return of 40%+ damage, since in many of those setups, the opponent's already in the corner. How strict is the timing on those setups? Very strict?

Also can't they just do a delayed wakeup and avoid it completely?

And what's your strategic tendencies? Do you release B2 earlier in the round and dash cancel it later in the round to set them up? Or Vice Versa?

I'll give marvaz, credit for creativity.
 
Sentry_Gun

Sentry_Gun

Target Acquired
This seems pretty useless to me, If I saw a Johnny Cage charging up that B2 I would just delay my wake-up. I think your giving yourself a little too much credit for this lol.
 
Sao87

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
Sentry_Gun said:
This seems pretty useless to me, If I saw a Johnny Cage charging up that B2 I would just delay my wake-up. I think your giving yourself a little too much credit for this lol.
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I think you're giving yourself to much credit, this set up is obviously beatable but works just like any other reset in the game with a great payout. Granted this setup wont work every time but its a gamble that works in tournament situations.

I had the same mentality you do until I get hit by it in the video and on top of that I knew to look out for it. If JC senses that his opponent is a little trigger happy on wake up he can dash cancel block and punish with more corner rape.
 
Asodimazze

Asodimazze

https://twitter.com/AlfioZacco
Sao87 said:
I think you're giving yourself to much credit, this set up is obviously beatable but works just like any other reset in the game with a great payout. Granted this setup wont work every time but its a gamble that works in tournament situations.

I had the same mentality you do until I get hit by it in the video and on top of that I knew to look out for it. If JC senses that his opponent is a little trigger happy on wake up he can dash cancel block and punish with more corner rape.
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Imho in the video you got hit because you didn't pay enough attention to what Marvaz was doing, not because that is a good setup.
Also, why a player should interrupt his own combo if he is going to dash cancel B2? This guessing game is totally unnecessary.
Not to mention that wake up attacks aren't always punishable and the opponent can delay his wakeup....
 
Marvaz

Marvaz

come at me
DetroitBalln313 said:
THE KING!!
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whos the king?? lol.


GUYS, i did not elaborate anything specifically yet. I will go into this further and in more detail. I will be at a tournament today, using mostly subzero and some jc and lk. Watch out for all my seb and jc resets
 
catch22

catch22

GOD LAO FTW!!!
marvaz said:
whos the king?? lol.


GUYS, i did not elaborate anything specifically yet. I will go into this further and in more detail. I will be at a tournament today, using mostly subzero and some jc and lk. Watch out for all my seb and jc resets
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cool good luck :)

but as far as the reset? a wake up attack will kill it, and or just jump out.
I was trying the same thing out last week and it can work on lesser skilled or unsuspecting foes.

kinda like the nood reset, it works on some charcters, but others its harder cus of the wake ups, specially ex ones.
 
sLeeK

sLeeK

Mortal
marvaz said:
Ok guys so i was holding out on making this thread until after evo. Many of you have been probably wondering when and how to add jc B2 unblockable into your game. I found out many ways to do so but here are 3 ways that are good to use IMO.

**These are not garuanteed, but if you are reading your opponents habits then they are a very valuable tool IMO. Again IMO lol.

Playing at evo i was able to show these to some people like, sao, wonderchef, shoryuken, etc.

I have one of my examples here. at 4:20

If u do 2 then b2 it catches people doing a normal get up.

Other 2 ways i will reveal right now. In corner-

f4, b2.

21f2,2,2,2,21f2, b2.

The beauty of these setups are once u get your opponent to react to this you can always cancel and punish any attempted wake up attack or jump. If anyone else says they came up with these, they are wrong. I have been doing this since late may-early june.
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I played this guy on PSN before evo, never played a well rounded cage like his. GGs man good luck at your tourny !
 
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DetroitBalln

tupac aint dead
marvaz said:
whos the king?? lol.


GUYS, i did not elaborate anything specifically yet. I will go into this further and in more detail. I will be at a tournament today, using mostly subzero and some jc and lk. Watch out for all my seb and jc resets
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your the king dog
 
Marvaz

Marvaz

come at me
Im actually trying to do further testing on the 21f2,22221f2 setup. So far in practice mode any atempted wake up attack by a lot of the cast seems to get stuffed and you get a free combo. Ill keep you guys posted.
 
Ulturas

Ulturas

Mortal
marvaz said:
Im actually trying to do further testing on the 21f2,22221f2 setup. So far in practice mode any atempted wake up attack by a lot of the cast seems to get stuffed and you get a free combo. Ill keep you guys posted.
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Is there a way to set it up midscreen or is it very punishable?
 
Ulturas

Ulturas

Mortal
Hmm been trying this a bit tonight against AI but because AI's wakeups are a lot faster than human response times (they get invincibility frames from wakeup every time), AI always seem to do enhanced wakeups too -_-. So I think human error would make this a reset (against certain characters anyway). I have a theory on what to add though to this :D I'll post it up later!

Also another setup is just doing JIP 21F2, then hold B2 it's actually an easier setup less likely to eat a wakeup as well.
 
A F0xy Grampa

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
Not worth doing unless after a nutpunch for a 50/50, they can either take the charged palm or a b3 from the cancel, never try it on a knocked down opponent imo
 
Ulturas

Ulturas

Mortal
A F0xy Grampa said:
Not worth doing unless after a nutpunch for a 50/50, they can either take the charged palm or a b3 from the cancel, never try it on a knocked down opponent imo
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It's risky that's for sure but it does pay off against the majority of the cast. If you pull it off that's easily over 60+% damage or more depending on how you do it. I think the risk greatly outweighs the cons though tbh because if you can hit over 60+% damage in the corner that's pretty much a win. Plus you can add a Nut Punch onto the end of the unblockable string and chip away.

Edit: it also wastes 0 meter too!
 
A F0xy Grampa

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
It doesnt pay off, because the chance of them escaping are way too high, the last thing you want to do with cage is push anybody away or let them leave ur side. So you could either knock them down and chance a charged palm that will nearly always miss vs any good player, or you could have just finished your combo with a nut punch and chipped away the health that you could have taken with the charged palm anyway.

Trust me, its not worth it unless ur setting up a 50/50, they have to be standing for it to work easier
 
Ulturas

Ulturas

Mortal
A F0xy Grampa said:
It doesnt pay off, because the chance of them escaping are way too high, the last thing you want to do with cage is push anybody away or let them leave ur side. So you could either knock them down and chance a charged palm that will nearly always miss vs any good player, or you could have just finished your combo with a nut punch and chipped away the health that you could have taken with the charged palm anyway.

Trust me, its not worth it unless ur setting up a 50/50, they have to be standing for it to work easier
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Thing being man they can't jump out of there the only viable thing to do is a wakeup they can't jump out from this setup. I'm not so sure on Marvaz's setup with the JIP 21F2 2 2 2 21F2 setup but the JIP 21F2 setup works almost flawlessly. The only thing they can do is risk an enhanced wakeup they can't jump out of it even if it were doable to jump out JC can easily anti air uppercut. Thing being as well dude Marvaz plays on tournament level so I would have to side with him knowledge wise if he thinks it works on a tournament level then by all means I imagine it'd work at any level.

Edit: you also have to factor in human error as well no human is faster than an AI putting the inputs for a wakeup in. This setup works against AI so I believe it's viable.
 
Sao87

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
Ulturas said:
Thing being man they can't jump out of there the only viable thing to do is a wakeup they can't jump out from this setup. I'm not so sure on Marvaz's setup with the JIP 21F2 2 2 2 21F2 setup but the JIP 21F2 setup works almost flawlessly. The only thing they can do is risk an enhanced wakeup they can't jump out of it even if it were doable to jump out JC can easily anti air uppercut. Thing being as well dude Marvaz plays on tournament level so I would have to side with him knowledge wise if he thinks it works on a tournament level then by all means I imagine it'd work at any level.

Edit: you also have to factor in human error as well no human is faster than an AI putting the inputs for a wakeup in. This setup works against AI so I believe it's viable.
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F0xy is probably the best Johnny Cage player right now but you also have to understand that his mentality is all about absolutes. The way Johnny Cages offense works with nut punches its almost hard to justify running resets. That being said I know these resets have the ability to catch players that aren't wake up happy off guard. Its all really up to how you want to play Cage. I'm the type of person that would never go for resets but that's only because I would prefer guaranteed forms of damage if I've earned them.
 
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