Killer Instinct: The Game That Is Hated For The Wrong Reasons

[Hellbringer]

My toughts why tournament numbers are low:
1)not everyone had the luxuery to buy a next gen console right away
2)alot of ppl wait and see how a next gen console does before buying one
3)fulgore and spinal wheren't released yet, and probably one of the reasons why alot of ppl havent got a xbox1 yet
4)its xbox exclusive, and the way MS handled their promotion didnt do much good(drm, have to be online to play,etc)

 

[trufenix]

My toughts why tournament numbers are low:
1)not everyone had the luxuery to buy a next gen console right away
2)alot of ppl wait and see how a next gen console does before buying one
3)fulgore and spinal wheren't released yet, and probably one of the reasons why alot of ppl havent got a xbox1 yet
4)its xbox exclusive, and the way MS handled their promotion didnt do much good(drm, have to be online to play,etc)

couldn't possibly be that that many people aren't interested in it.

 

[TomlulsBrady]

why are injustice players being so insecure the game is in the best place it has ever been since launch you dont have to put ki3 down to feel good about your game.

 

[arde5643]

My toughts why tournament numbers are low:
1)not everyone had the luxuery to buy a next gen console right away
2)alot of ppl wait and see how a next gen console does before buying one
3)fulgore, combo, cinder, raptor and spinal wheren't released yet, and probably one of the reasons why alot of ppl havent got a xbox1 yet
4)its xBONE exclusive, and the way MS handled their promotion didnt do much good(drm, have to be online to play,etc)
5) vicious cycle of apathy: lack of players means lack of stream time -> lack of stream time -> lack of knowledge -> stream doesn't want to see the game -> tourneys don't care about the game

Fixed - red is pretty much the biggest issue. Basically if you put MS' release plan for KI3 in a venn diagram, they're actually trying to get the smallest user base possible for this game.

 

[redeyes]

You lost respect for him because he said that you have options? I personally have no problem AAing people in tournament and yes, Black Adam can AA almost any jump attack with his D2. The AA thing is by design: could you imagine if Adam had an Aquman D2 IN ADDITION to his godlike footsies and air control? The same thing goes for characters like Superman and Lex. Most characters have something to AA with and even if they don't, their toolset allows them to compensate with things like trip guard or MB B3/F3

People invent make-believe rules about how a fighting game "should" work and they think that every fighting game should work the same. Injustice is simply different, which does not make it inferior.

i lost respect for him when i said the games AA were unbalanced and he said that a WW player should not complain about AA's

just because i play a character who can AA well doesn't mean i don't like how a decent chunk of the cast doesn't.

 

[juicepouch]

why are injustice players being so insecure the game is in the best place it has ever been since launch you dont have to put ki3 down to feel good about your game.

I think it's the cycle, when any game is new it instantly gets bashed to shit for whatever reason. Considering KI is coming out of the blocks a little slow (like IGAU did) I'm not particularly surprised

More to the point: Some day when I'm more financially affluent (READ: college doesn't rape my bank account), I want to pick up KI. Thank goodness TJ Combo isn't out now, prompting me to do something stupid with money I don't have. lol

 

[Greenk4]

Thank goodness TJ Combo isn't out now, prompting me to do something stupid with money I don't have. lol

Yo shout outs to TJ Combo, this is the only game I'd ever consider playing him lol

 

[ShadowBeatz]

Yo shout outs to TJ Combo, this is the only game I'd ever consider playing him lol

That's racist.

 

[Crathen]

As far as the wait for season 2/3, keep in mind this is not MY argument (I did not make reference to this) you cannot compare it to SF X T. The reason being that SF X T was inherently broken on release. That game had bugs, stalls were rampant, and the gems were hard to balance properly/ hard to incorporate in tournament until the patch. When the 2013 patch landed the game actually did get rejuvenated at tournaments, but the player base did not stick around.

So, yes. I do believe in time the game will grow in tournaments. To respond to your question "Why are numbers so small in the USA?" Well, the game is very young and the system is just as young. It will take time for the FGC, pros, and Casuals alike to get the system and truly explore the game.

Red text is what most are worried about , if the tournament playerbase is now at 30-40 players at USA majors i'm wondering what will that be 1 year from now even accounting for the season 2 hype train and DLC character downloads from time to time + possible balance patches.

And everyone knows that XBone exclusive hurts the playerbase along with it being a new high $ console , SFXTK had way more capcom players than KI and it still "died" down , point is it was too late.

@TomlulsBrady don't twist words as you usually do , nobody is trying to put KI down , quite the contrary we're giving feedback on some issues that KI players don't seem to take account because belive it or not more # for KI at tournaments / locals the more fun and appealing travelling to majors / regionals is for everyone.

Ok , i've said my opinion on the topic , hope you guys get what i'm saying

 

[trufenix]

@redeyes,

I get that you don't like Injustice and you are a big fan of KI. But while a lot of your "opinions" are jaded bullshit I have no interest debating, the reality is your assertion that the 6 character game without even an arcade ladder offers more than Injustice (or any fighting game released in t he last decade) is just plain wrong.

 

[redeyes]

@redeyes,

I get that you don't like Injustice and you are a big fan of KI. But while a lot of your "opinions" are jaded bullshit I have no interest debating, the reality is your assertion that the 6 character game without even an arcade ladder offers more than Injustice (or any fighting game released in t he last decade) is just plain wrong.

@redeyes,

I get that you don't like Injustice and you are a big fan of KI. But while a lot of your "opinions" are jaded bullshit I have no interest debating, the reality is your assertion that the 6 character game without even an arcade ladder offers more than Injustice (or any fighting game released in t he last decade) is just plain wrong.

quality over quantity.

tho it may lack all the extra BS off the start

KI is one of the best fighting games hands down.

the mind game & meta game in it are great, i could go on for a really long post but im not.

which with a fighting game should really be all that matters right?
what the fighting is like?

 

[juicepouch]

Yo shout outs to TJ Combo, this is the only game I'd ever consider playing him lol

I will play the shit out of him because he fulfills my innermost desires of being either a big scary grappler/a big scary boxer lol

 

[Greenk4]

That's racist.

No its not, I'm just bad at using him lol like horrible, nothing against the character.

I will play the shit out of him because he fulfills my innermost desires of being either a big scary grappler/a big scary boxer lol

lol I just want all his moves to send people flying like in the SNES

 

[Spinky]

Was 1 in the morning, was tired. Spelling mistakes, people make them.

If the minor spelling mistake was all you took away from that post, Wow indeed.

Someone hasn't been introduced to the wonders of Doge.

 

[trufenix]

quality over quantity.

tho it may lack all the extra BS off the start

KI is one of the best fighting games hands down.

the mind game & meta game in it are great, i could go on for a really long post but im not.

which with a fighting game should really be all that matters right?
what the fighting is like?

If it was BS DH wouldn't have spent so much time promising it and people would'nt keep beating the stick around its gonna get better drum. You want people to buy KI NOW and play KI NOW then there needs to be more (or at least a comparable amount of) KI than Injustice, SF, Marvel, Skullgirls, and everything else NOW. And there isn't. If it was, it wouldn't be fighting for stream time and players.

 

[redeyes]

If it was BS DH wouldn't have spent so much time promising it and people would'nt keep beating the stick around its gonna get better drum. You want people to buy KI NOW and play KI NOW then there needs to be more (or at least a comparable amount of) KI than Injustice, SF, Marvel, Skullgirls, and everything else NOW. And there isn't. If it was, it wouldn't be fighting for stream time and players.

so in order to get more stream time it needs a story mode?

 

[trufenix]

so in order to get more stream time it needs a story mode?

no, it needs more than 6 characters.

 

[redeyes]

no, it needs more than 6 characters.

why though? its perfect gameplay wise which like i said is all that should matter.
all more characters means is i gotta learn more auto doubles ill see more top tiers at tournaments while some are never seen.

a large cast doesnt mean its a good game & gets stream time.

 

[trufenix]

why though? its perfect gameplay wise which like i said is all that should matter.
all more characters means is i gotta learn more auto doubles ill see more top tiers at tournaments while some are never seen.

a large cast doesnt mean its a good game & gets stream time.

This thread proves you don't want to hear the argument, you think 6 characters is enough (it isn't) and you think KI is perfect (it isn't). VF has had one of the most balanced (and tiny) casts since its inception yet still it takes a backseat to bigger, flashier, and less balanced games.

Think about it.

 

[redeyes]

This thread proves you don't want to hear the argument, you think 6 characters is enough (it isn't) and you think KI is perfect (it isn't). VF has had one of the most balanced (and tiny) casts since its inception yet still it takes a backseat to bigger, flashier, and less balanced games.

Think about it.

this thread proves that you're ignorant for saying KI is bad for having a small cast dude.

 

[trufenix]

this thread proves that you're ignorant for saying KI is bad for having a small cast dude.

sigh. You win.

 

[Johnny2d]

I'm very thankful that there are only 6 characters. For the first time in the modern era of fighting games I'm learning the WHOLE CAST. I have a better understanding of the game because of this, and as new characters are released I'll learn them too. For this reason alone I plan to have the most complete knowledge of an entire game that I've ever had. Its exciting to be a part of it by participating and if the cast gets to be as big as Injustice or Street Fighter I will have an amazing understanding of all of its parts since I've been along for the ride since launch day. I love it and wouldn't change it at all.

 

[arde5643]

so in order to get more stream time it needs a story mode?

It needs more filthy casuals playing it - similar to Injustice, SF4, UMVC3, Tekken, KOF, MK, and pretty much all other popular (or used to be popular) fighting games.
And one of the ways to get more casuals is more single player content.

And even with filthy casuals playing it, it doesn't mean the game will prosper in FGC unless the game is hype both offline and stream-wise.
SFxT had the numbers and players like playing it offline, but it is a very tedious game to stream.
Tekken and KOF are games that are hype (for those who play it) both offline and stream-wise, but never got a good foothold due to its lack of numbers.

So yes, KI needs something more than just being a good fighting game - it's not only a numbers game, it's a hype (offline and stream-wise) and mindshare game (it's very hard for a game to remove a bad rep regardless of the facts - look at SFxT).

 

[HellblazerHawkman]

Alright, real talk: you know what royally butt-fucked the FGC's take on Injustice EVO and back? "Hey guys, how many Superman\Black Adam players are in this Top 8?" Injustice grew out of that because we had a larger cast. It's not that exciting seeing the same characters all the time. With only (6?) in the cast, Killer Instinct will get stale. Not saying it's bad, but this is bound to happen. I know I'm not saying anything new, but this seems like an issue. As another poster said, we got the first new Guilty Gear in ages and USF4 around he corner. Why am I going to wait for KI to fill out when I can get a full fighter on my current console?

As said, the best answer is get out there and support your fucking game. Smash isn't even respected by a lot of people as a serious fighter, but it's at majors alongside Marvel, Street Fighter, Injustice, Tekken and the like because it's players are out there in force. Just saying it'll grow ain't gonna stop it from falling to the wayside

 

[SonicBoomBrad]

I'd love this game if punishes were actually punishes. But there's very little risk for doing stupid shit because you can just break the combo if you get punished. So it gives people incentive to use online mentality. And that makes the game extremely frustrating to play. Just my 2 cents.