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Sabrewulf is OP

NRF CharlieMurphy

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I don't need to watch online wolf players, I play SuperArcade's FRQ Steeve regularly and I've played Maximilian. As a Jago player - you have to shadow counter his magic series and you have to get in that ass. You have to maul Wolf and outright disrespect him. Like fighting Rufus in AE. This is the advice that Jwong gives everyone and if you implement it; you'll find success.

I'm getting really tired of the defeatist attitude in the FGC.

From this point forward any further comments from me will be along the lines of "Saberwolf is OP as fuck. Everything he has is an infinite. No point trying. One character game."
So much brohug right here.
 

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
I'm not following when he says "the startup on the shadow is 6 frames but it comes out in 0". Someone explain it to me? From what I'm seeing on the screen cap it has no advantage on hit and -11 on block. (Shadow Eclipse) Anyway, my question still stands, what is the startup on shadow pertaining to? Is the frame data missing something?
 

GodsLonelyman

Kombatant
Sabrewulf needs his dash crossup, it's the only way he can cross you up for a mixup. His air priority and air game is bad, he's strictly ground based. He doesnt have any air normals that can cross you up on block so he cant set up anything ambiguous in the air after a knockdown. Everyone has some dirt not only sabrewulf. Jago has some braindead easy manuals, braindead easy frametraps, a full screen windkick that can punish people trying to get in desperately, A dp that has insane priority and can not only be instinct canceled, it can be canceled into a fireball to make it safe. I can go on and on. What about sadira. Sadira with instinct can chain normals back to back on block and keep you locked down if you dont have meter to shadow counter, her air game is ludicrous and keeps you constantly guessing which way to block with her dirty crossup setups. Glacius has his crazy keep away game and can always have an assist ready to interrupt you with his hail. Thunder has massive damage, one wrong guess and you're up shits creek. His dp has crazy priority and can even go through fireballs. You also have to react to his command grab and be worried about resets. On a knock down he can delay a jumping HP which is extremely ambiguous, you really cant tell if its going to cross up or not, then you have to worry about the block pressure that comes next or the tick throw. Orchid has her insane instinct pressure and her 50/50 overhead low game. She's also not the easiest to break. Everyone has dirt atm. I suggest people just play it out and not turn this game into another NRS shitfest with dumb nerfs and buffs. Luckily if DH has any common sense they'll ignore all these nerf requests.
 

Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
The funny part about hearing people complaining about Sabrewulf is that as a Wulf main I 100% guarantee I've spent more time in the lab trying to break down and beat Sabre than anybody whining about him.

Every person I've seen doesn't do any of the following:

Backdash out of his meaty pressure
Swing/wakeup when he does dash throughs (hint: if he is dashing through a bunch he probably isn't timing a meaty correctly)
Shadow counter his magic series/ragged edge
Punish his 50/50 everytime
Contest him after his run into fierce, which is negative on block
Punish his shadow or normal eclipse without shadow counter
Know how to break all of his doubles/heavy ragged edge linker
Break his magic series when he is using it as a manual, etc

I mostly play KI in tournament, but I've played a few of the high ranking SW players, and haven't lost to any. In fact, who cares about online Sabre players, when I got done playing JWong I sat down in the lab and broke down what I could have done better in every situation. What the hell are you doing while other people are learning how to beat SW?

I'm sick and tired of sitting here doing homework on how to beat my own characters because stupid scrubs on message boards are whiny bitches and won't do it themselves. Quit asking other people to "go online and beat high ranking Sabrewulf players', go do it yourself. Why should other people do the work for you? If you fucking suck at fighting the character, it doesn't matter if he gets nerfed or not.

Seriously, quit being a fucking scrub and learn how to play the game. That's all I'm asking for.