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first Official (early) Matchup chart thread

NY_Jailhouse

Warrior
fair: sadira, jago, thunder
hard: glacius, wulf

edit: below were my very early thoughts (like 3 days play)

Ok, obviously the game is very new and matchups are bound to change. But for those of us who have played A LOT already, youl probably be able to get a handle on how the numbers will look in the future.

IMO, this game is insanely balanced and mostly relies on playing the PLAYER which is why i love it so much. it feels like third strike (parry = shadow counter)/sfxt (footsies very similar imo)/guilty gear (counterbreaker = burst bait) for the new generation in that regard, in that there are universal mechanics that allow for HARD reads to dominate the majority of matches

Orchid matchups:

Jago: 4-6 (slide is completely useless, his footsies are better)

wulf: 5-5 (very similar character design, both rushdown/reset monsters.. will be very even imo. wulf is way easier to get started with though so right now they might have adv)

sadira: 4-6 (leaning towards 5-5 if you can meaty her every time. main problem with sadira is that you have to play against her completely different from every other charcater in the game which makes her the best IMO. it really feels like playing against valentine in Skullgirls in a very weird but not so weird way, those whove played that game probably can see where im coming from. She gets away from orchid's instinct VERY easily. instinct must be saved for block/hit confirm and you have to keep her on the ground afterwards or instinct becomes useless. most difficult matchup to use the cats in imo)

thunder : 5-5/? (not enough experience against the best thunder players like rico/etc but from what ive seen so far its pretty easy to say 5-5.

glacius: 6-4 (definitely tough for glacius. Riyo plays this matchup very well in that you basically have to bait her with holding light hail a lot or glacius will just get rushdown bodied. slide is extremely good against him unless he has light hail. glacius has to take risks all the time on unsafe moves to get out of the corner. air throw very good against him, dash forward DP's body his air options.)
 
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NurzBenny

Old Member
  • I think Jago is easily 5-5. Windkick, destroys slide, but for some reason, Jago's always test you with a fireball at this point in the games life cycle. Slide IS effective in that way. Jago's footsies are a tad bit better but it isn't so much that he completely dominates. Orchid trait blows his out of the water, and he's gonna have to do some serious blocking when it's out.
  • Thunder feels 4-6 or worse. Hit's like a truck. Can't keep him out, obviously, because Orchid has to get in her self, and the damage trades are never ever in Orchids favor. Would rather face Sadira, and I would rather pull my teeth out than face sadira.
 

SAREDODEVIL

Kombatant
  • I think Jago is easily 5-5. Windkick, destroys slide, but for some reason, Jago's always test you with a fireball at this point in the games life cycle. Slide IS effective in that way. Jago's footsies are a tad bit better but it isn't so much that he completely dominates. Orchid trait blows his out of the water, and he's gonna have to do some serious blocking when it's out.
  • Thunder feels 4-6 or worse. Hit's like a truck. Can't keep him out, obviously, because Orchid has to get in her self, and the damage trades are never ever in Orchids favor. Would rather face Sadira, and I would rather pull my teeth out than face sadira.
for you what is the worst MU in KI right now?
 

NY_Jailhouse

Warrior
glacius is not 6-4. definitely take that back. it is 6-4 unless the glacius knows to abuse the light hail which completely negates her options. 5-5 probably
 

NurzBenny

Old Member
for you what is the worst MU in KI right now?
I grinded out the thunder match up this weekend at NEC in the hotels late night. It still seems hard for Orchid but, only in the way it's hard for everyone against Thunder. Still think it's Thunder advantage slightly but isn't that bad. Jago is 5-5, and I actually think, saber wolf is Orchid's easiest matchup. It's 5-5, but saber has no clear advantage over Orchid in anything. He has to be honest against her, because slide and DP will beat any and all of his shenanigans if timed correctly. I beat tom brady in tournament with her against his saber. Confident in that matchup. Would have loved to play Justins and see what the best (for now) plays like.Sadira and Glacius I have thoughts on and will post later.
 

NY_Jailhouse

Warrior
im revising my current thoughts based solely on how much i lose to each charcater lol

fair: sadira, jago, thunder
hard: glacius, wulf
 

vegeta

Saiyan Prince
I've been (ironically) having trouble with Jago. Though I've been practicing in rank matches and I think a lot of those people (I'm rank 5 and keep going back and forth between 5 and 4 -_-) have no fear OR no idea about stuff so setups don't work on occasion. I also have trouble with Wulf (end up blocking the wrong way due to his dash) I've been starting to use neutral jump, especially with Jago throwing out his QCB+HK all the time and trying to hit buttons after. My first "street fighter style footsies" game so I think that's where I'm getting killed a lot. How are you guys specifically dealing with this kinda thing? Is there also anyone interested in being my "training partner" of sorts so I can better understand a lot of this stuff? I'm down for some exhibition/discussion matches.
 

Jimmypotato

Mid Tier
I don't think Orchid has any winning match ups in this game, still need more Fulgore experience, but they took away all our dirt and left everyone else with their bullshit.

Now we get to be the "fair" "balanced" character in a sea of bullshit.

you have to work hard for wins with her, and your break counter break meta mind game shit better be on point.

Still don't like using any other characters though, she my hoe.
 

Johnny San

Shazzy's Biggest Fan
Now we get to be the "fair" "balanced" character in a sea of bullshit.
I kind of agree with this on a certain level.

Although I feel that she can compete against the rest of the cast, you end up having to play your opponent's game 99% of the time since she doesn't really have any DOMINATING tools (there might be shit with instinct).

I love her though.
 
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Jimmypotato

Mid Tier
I kind of agree with this on a certain level.

Although I feel that she can compete against the rest cast, you end up having to play your opponent's game 99% of the time since she doesn't really have any DOMINATING tools (there might be shit with instinct).

I love her though.
Yes her instinct is her best asset. She has alotta trouble in lots of match ups just due to the way things trade or don't trade for her in most cases.

Once you play someone who can break her 90% of the time it becomes very very difficult. Especially because most of her manuals have to be light or medium and a good player will be able to sniff out which is coming. Her AD's or ridiculously easy to break.

I do feel like she can compete, but she is at disadvantage most of the time I feel, due to like you said, having to play the opponents game, and not really being able to establish one of her own.

Shadow Counter destroys most of her best stuff.

I still love her aswell, I'm really hoping fo buffs and some fixes in season 2. Like why the fuck can't I slide under Jagos wind kick?? lol