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NEC 14 Injustice Wrapup and Props Thread

pherleece

Woolay
CrimsonShadow
You cant blame streamers for not having a 4g card just cause art, vic ans bifu have one. we dont make money off of the stream so no one can blame certian streamers for not signing a contract and pay a monthly fee for something we may need like 10 times a year. If money was being made then thats a different story
 

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
I can't decide who was my favourite player in the tourney, RDK|Tyrant or Blind_Man .
Tyrant's Grundy was one of the best things I have seen recently and made me insanely hype. A real pleasure to watch.
Ducky, on the other hand, was so on point with his tactics and it was like he had tons of MU experience against every character he played. And his counter-poking made me feel like he was playing MK9 lol. Dat d1 out of Supes' trait cancel.

Also Mikemetroid man I really wanted you to win the MK tournament. But 2nd place is still cool congrats man. Your Cage is awesome.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
CrimsonShadow
You cant blame streamers for not having a 4g card just cause art, vic ans bifu have one. we dont make money off of the stream so no one can blame certian streamers for not signing a contract and pay a monthly fee for something we may need like 10 times a year. If money was being made then thats a different story
I'm not intending to blame anyone specifically, but the money isn't the issue -- I would have happily contributed to help with the streaming costs; instead I ended up contributing to Pig of the Hut to cover the rest of his unexpected 4g costs for streaming the night.

So look at it this way; who's responsibility is it -- Pig, who was worried about having to get ready and play in the tournament, or the people who agreed to stream the pools?

If we need to raise some bread (especially for tournaments as big as NEC and TFC) to support we can do that; but to simply not have a 4g card becomes a bit of a disaster given the internet situation at majors.

Anime doesn't have a cushy contract either, but their streams are always up at majors; so we can't really make excuses there.
 

ApocaLips

Kombatant
CrimsonShadow
You cant blame streamers for not having a 4g card just cause art, vic ans bifu have one. we dont make money off of the stream so no one can blame certian streamers for not signing a contract and pay a monthly fee for something we may need like 10 times a year. If money was being made then thats a different story
If you continue that line of logic, then you can't expect streamers to bring any streaming equipment at all. We appreciate what you do, but we also expect you to do it if you say you're going to do it.

At this point, if you say you're going to stream a tournament and then don't bring a 4g card, you're basically saying 'there's a 50% chance [or less] that I'm going to stream the tournament.' It's clear that venue internet isn't reliable.

If monetization of stream viewership is an issue, there are other solutions. Maybe talk to the TO to increase the tournament fee by $1 per person to cover the streaming costs, if that'll cut it. Look into making more advertising deals - not just through the Twitch ad revenue program, but along the line of Spooky's deals with MadCatz and that eCig company. If it gets to the point where you really can't afford to stream unless you make it pay-per-view, then do it. But don't just say 'fuck it.'
 
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pherleece

Woolay
I'm not intending to blame anyone specifically, but the money isn't the issue -- I would have happily contributed to help with the streaming costs; instead I ended up contributing to Pig of the Hut to cover the rest of his unexpected 4g costs for streaming the night.

So look at it this way; who's responsibility is it -- Pig, who was worried about having to play in the tournament, or the people who agreed and said that they would stream the pools?

If we need to raise some bread (especially for a tournaments as big as NEC and TFC) to support we can do that; but to simply not have a 4g card becomes a bit of a disaster given the internet situation at majors.
Doesn't 4g cards require a 1 or 2 year contract plus a monthly fee?
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Doesn't 4g cards require a 1 or 2 year contract plus a monthly fee?
I think a lot of people just add a 4g modem device to their current provider's cell phone bill -- which is a small extra monthly amount and then whatever overages you incur at majors.

Like I have Verizon, so if I was streaming I'd add a 4G LTE USB modem to the devices on my contract.

The other option (for Verizon) is to pay a $200 1-time fee for the modem, which lets you purchse coverage month-to-month as you need it instead of being on a contract.

But we could ask TenZeRo7 Sabin REDRUM GGA HAN and AK Pig Of The Hut for more details.
 
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chemist4hire

I Got Guiled
If monetization of stream viewership is an issue, there are other solutions. Maybe talk to the TO to increase the tournament fee by $1 per person to cover the streaming costs, if that'll cut it.
Wait, you want the people who traveled to play the game ( ..and therefore do not need a stream to watch the hype matches) to pay an extra fee that will not go into the pot, so that you who is sitting at home can watch? Sir, please refrain from sharing such terrible ideas with the general public. Good day Sir, NO props for you! You get nothing.
 

pherleece

Woolay
If you continue that line of logic, then you can't expect streamers to bring any streaming equipment at all. We appreciate what you do, but we also expect you to do it if you say you're going to do it.

At this point, if you say you're going to stream a tournament and then don't bring a 4g card, you're basically saying 'there's a 50% chance [or less] that I'm going to stream the tournament.' It's clear that venue internet isn't reliable.

If monetization of stream viewership is an issue, there are other solutions. Maybe talk to the TO to increase the tournament fee by $1 per person to cover the streaming costs, if that'll cut it. Look into making more advertising deals - not just through the Twitch ad revenue program, but along the line of Spooky's deals with MadCatz and that eCig company. But don't just say 'fuck it.'
We don't say fuck it. We always try to get a 4g card. Shock can you chime in on this. Too busy at work to fully reply
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Wait, you want the people who traveled to play the game ( ..and therefore do not need a stream to watch the hype matches) to pay an extra fee that will not go into the pot, so that you who is sitting at home can watch? Sir, please refrain from sharing such terrible ideas with the general public. Good day Sir, NO props for you! You get nothing.
Well to be honest, where do you think the rest of the entry (venue + game) money that doesn't go to the pot goes? To tournament cots; promotion, organization, venue and equipment costs etc. If streaming is an accepted tournament cost in 2013, then it falls into that category.

Whether you agree with his specific suggestion or not, you can't act like it's totally ludicrous.

If I went to a major I'd gladly chip in a dollar to make sure that people could watch the game's matches. Because the more people that stop caring about the game, the lower the entrants, the lower the pots get, and the worse conditions for the game become until eventually you don't have a tournament to go to in the first place.

Every bit of promotion helps the entire scene.
 
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Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but big e apologized for the streaming situation before top 8 on Sunday and mentioned that he might be adding a good pot bonus at winter brawl to make up for it
instead of a pot bonus to make up for it, make winter brawl 3/5 instead of 2/3. find a way to make it happen is a way better apology IMO, that way the entire community get it, rather than top 3. BigE i've been talking to a few people around our community about this and may have an idea on how to make this happen easily.
 

ApocaLips

Kombatant
Wait, you want the people who traveled to play the game ( ..and therefore do not need a stream to watch the hype matches) to pay an extra fee that will not go into the pot, so that you who is sitting at home can watch? Sir, please refrain from sharing such terrible ideas with the general public. Good day Sir, NO props for you! You get nothing.
Players already have to pay a venue fee to support the misc. costs of the tournament. If $100 or so is enough to cover the card, I'd gladly chip in one extra dollar. $1 isn't going to make or break anyone's decision to go to a tournament, and if it's a way to shift the costs off of one person, then it's fine.

And you're kidding yourself if you think the players at the tournament don't benefit from the stream as well. Players at the tournament can catch what they missed, review the matches later, critique their own play, get publicity, and so on. It also advertises the tournament, which increases the turnout, which in turn means bigger pots later on.

We don't say fuck it. We always try to get a 4g card. Shock can you chime in on this. Too busy at work to fully reply
That's out of context. I was saying don't say 'fuck it' to preparing in advance and not risking the possibility of not having a stream. Obviously props go to those who did everything they could to fix the situation.
 
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chemist4hire

I Got Guiled
Well to be honest, where do you think the rest of the entry money that doesn't go to the pot goes? To tournament cots; promotion, organization, venue etc. If streaming in an accepted tournament cost in 2013, then it falls into that category.

Whether you agree with his specific suggestion or not, you can't act like it's totally ludicrous.

If I went to a major I'd gladly chip in a dollar to make sure that people could watch my matches. Because the more people that stop caring about the game, the worse things get until eventually you don't have a tournament to go to in the first place.
As a player who used to attend tournaments frequently, I can say that streams don't matter to me. I can also say that the introduction of streaming did not increase attendance at tournaments and did not keep relevant interest in a game alive. A game only last as long as people are willing to play it, watching it has nothing to do with it. I also don't think venue fees should cover the cost of streaming. If the venue fee that is charged to secure the venue results in a surplus, I would rather that money go to pot bonuses.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
As a player who used to attend tournaments frequently, I can say that streams don't matter to me. I can also say that the introduction of streaming did not increase attendance at tournaments and did not keep relevant interest in a game alive. A game only last as long as people are willing to play it, watching it has nothing to do with it. I also don't think venue fees should cover the cost of streaming. If the venue fee that is charged to secure the venue results in a surplus, I would rather that money go to pot bonuses.
I can't speak for your specific past communities -- but definitely in ours you can pinpoint specific events that really raised hype and helped interest people in travelling to play the game.

I definitely wouldn't be here if it weren't for streams, because that's the thing I saw that made me aware that MK9 had events in the first place -- and it's also how I learned about TYM and SRK.
 

Kitana Prime

Top-tier at everything but the characters I choose
Thanks for the shout CrimsonShadow, I did come to try and top 8 above all else. Although I came up short, im not even salty anymore for choking vs Slayer and mentally fucking myself for my next match and not even getting out of pools after I played phenomenally vs CD Prine, J Rosa, Relaxed State and Slayer.

Shout out west coast, ALL of them as cool as ever. Shout out east coast, shout to THIS FUCKING TOURNEY, the best Ive ever attended. Personal shoutout to AK Pig Of The Hut, helping to ensure shit was streamed/recorded. We deserved this as a communtiy. The streamed matches were pure fucking quality and thats excluding all the amazing play that happened before stream was even up. I was on the floor from the moment pool 1 started, watched every pool and maaaaaannnnnn.

People. Attend tournaments. Please. Injustice is dead? Fuck that. I gotta paraphrase @GGA16Bit here... If you aint with us, move along. If you are, remember it is US who'll keep our game alive.

Congrats again GGA pimpimjim

One last thing...But for real though, no bias...I know Theo vs Tyrant happened but wasn't Kitana Prime vs Slayer a Match the Year candidate? Thats how we felt immediately after.
 

ApocaLips

Kombatant
I can't speak for your specific past communities -- but definitely in ours you can pinpoint specific events that really raised hype and helped interest people in travelling to play the game.

I definitely wouldn't be here if it weren't for streams, because that's the thing I saw that made me aware that MK9 had events in the first place.
Can I choose NEC 2013 as the case-in-point?

Seriously, the entire TYM community is crazy pumped right now. I'm really busy and it's tough for me to make tournaments, but I'm pretty resolved to get to Winter Brawl now due to how incredibly fucking hype NEC was. If I couldn't see it, I probably wouldn't be so motivated. And NEC wouldn't have made the waves it did if we only saw the list of results in plain type.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
As a player who used to attend tournaments frequently, I can say that streams don't matter to me. I can also say that the introduction of streaming did not increase attendance at tournaments and did not keep relevant interest in a game alive. A game only last as long as people are willing to play it, watching it has nothing to do with it. I also don't think venue fees should cover the cost of streaming. If the venue fee that is charged to secure the venue results in a surplus, I would rather that money go to pot bonuses.
Actually here's an example from your current scene:

When Injustice dropped I had no idea that there was a weekly for it in NJ. Then one day, I was browsing Twitch for IGAU streams and came across one called '8 on the Break'. And I was like "that's interesting; I wonder where this is?"

So in stream chat I asked "where is this held?" and after being ignored for awhile, someone finally replied "Dunellen, NJ" (I think it was MarlinPie or Jaxel). So of course I was stunned, and the first thing I did was to go start spreading the word to IGAU players in the NY area that there was a nearby weekly they could go to and bridge communities.

Eventually some of the players convinced me to feature 8otB on TYM and we started to talk more.

After we all got to know each other, eventually there was a player from that community that I helped attend a major which he did very well at, because he wasn't going to go due to his current situation.

That's streaming come full circle -- and that's part of why it's important.
 
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chemist4hire

I Got Guiled
Actually here's an example from your current scene:

When Injustice dropped I had no idea that there was a weekly for it in NJ. Then one day, I was browsing Twitch for IGAU streams and came across one called '8 on the Break'. And I was like "that's interesting; I wonder where this is?"

So in stream chat I asked "where is this held?" and after being ignored for awhile, someone finally replied "Dunellen, NJ" (I think it was MarlinPie or Jaxel). So of course I was stunned, and the first thing I did was to go start spreading the word to people in the NY area that there was a nearby weekly they could go to and bridge communities.

After we all got to know each other, eventually there was a player from that community that I helped attend a major which he did very well at, because he wasn't going to go due to his current situation.

That's streaming come full circle -- and that's part of why it's important.
You are misunderstanding me. I am not against someone deciding to stream a tournament. What I don't like is being forced to pay a fee to support it when I am at attendance for that tournament. If some guy wants to pay for it out of his own pocket, I am not going to stop him. As to the benefits/disadvantages of streaming, I don't think there is a statistical difference in attendance (positive or negative) because of it.
 

Jackal904

Mortal
Ducky, on the other hand, was so on point with his tactics and it was like he had tons of MU experience against every character he played. And his counter-poking made me feel like he was playing MK9 lol. Dat d1 out of Supes' trait cancel.
I'm not just saying this because I'm a fellow Raven main but Ducky is on another level. It's exactly like you said, he knows his shit. He knows the holes in strings, he knows his punishes, his reactions and blocking are near flawless, he knows what the opponent can do and he knows how to deal with it. The guy is prepared. It frustrates me to see so many players still getting away with murder, and so far Ducky is the only one I've seen who consistently doesn't let you get away with a damn thing.
 
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Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
Thanks for the shout CrimsonShadow, I did come to try and top 8 above all else. Although I came up short, im not even salty anymore for choking vs Slayer and mentally fucking myself for my next match and not even getting out of pools after I played phenomenally vs CD Prine, J Rosa, Relaxed State and Slayer.

Shout out west coast, ALL of them as cool as ever. Shout out east coast, shout to THIS FUCKING TOURNEY, the best Ive ever attended. Personal shoutout to AK Pig Of The Hut, helping to ensure shit was streamed/recorded. We deserved this as a communtiy. The streamed matches were pure fucking quality and thats excluding all the amazing play that happened before stream was even up. I was on the floor from the moment pool 1 started, watched every pool and maaaaaannnnnn.

People. Attend tournaments. Please. Injustice is dead? Fuck that. I gotta paraphrase @GGA16Bit here... If you aint with us, move along. If you are, remember it is US who'll keep our game alive.

Congrats again GGA pimpimjim

One last thing...But for real though, no bias...I know Theo vs Tyrant happened but wasn't Kitana Prime vs Slayer a Match the Year candidate? Thats how we felt immediately after.
Your match with Slayer was absolutely insane. I loved hanging out with you and the Florida dudes.

Come through SCR and it'll be a blast man, we can show you the SoCal infinite that is in n out.