Who is the most wrong person in the NRS community?

[coolwhip]

It would only be a double standard if Maxter wasn't always ending up in the Top 2 in the modern era. I think that similarly, in both cases there are specific players who propelled those characters to the top, and that there's still room for the same to happen with MMH.

As for your question about the need to use Kabal, I'd ask you why those same players felt the need to use other characters if Kabal was running the entire game. Espcially since Jr. was the one who said he'd go all Kabal to prove how broken he was, but then still felt he needed other characters in order to compete at his best. Imo that doesn't help much to support your argument. A great player using multiple characters is not the same as a single player "winning everything" in the game.

Maxter placing top 2 in the modern era shows 2 things: He's a great player. Cyrax is a great character. Again, I have zero idea why you think this argument is relevant. It's as if you're trying to prove to me that Cyrax is a great character. Well...I know he is. He's tied with Kenshi for 2nd place IMO. But since you brought up Maxter, ask him about all those times he lost to REO's Kabal and Jr's Kabal. Ask Noobe, Han, and other Cyrax players about losing to Kabals all the time.

Hell, Kenshi is the 2nd best character in the game. Let's ask AK Pig Of The Hut if Kabal runs the game or not. I mean nobody denies that REO is by far the best Kabal, but ask Pig how much money he's lost because of Kabal, and not just REO's. Pig has lost to CD Jr's Kabal (EVO), Detroit's Kabal (SCR or NCR, can't remember), Cat's Kabal (Final Round), and PL's Kabal (CEO). That's pretty much every single top Kabal in the game. Does any of that mean Kenshi isn't a great character or Pig isn't a great player? Hell, we're talking about the Darth Vader of the game in Pig (as coined by Tom Brady), playing the second best character in the game.

Jr was using Jax (and Rain) and PL was playing KL since before the final patch. Those were their mains. Once it was obvious that Kabal was running the game (since we both agree that it takes time for this to become obvious, as evidenced by you suggesting that with time, we might see that with MMH), they picked up Kabal as an alt. How does that disprove Kabal's dominance?

Why did Detroit feel the need to switch from Shang to Kabal, despite making every top 8 at every tournament he ever attended with Shang?

I really don't understand this argument, and its purpose (other than the obligatory REO ass kissing fest, despite no one every denying he's the best MK player ever). What tool does Kabal lack? What match-up does he lose? What match-up does he go even in? The answers are "nothing," "none" and "more than likely none," respectively.

 

[xWildx]

Arguing a point on this forum is like banging your head against a brick wall. You don't get anywhere, and just end up with a splitting headache.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Hell, Kenshi is the 2nd best character in the game. Let's ask AK Pig Of The Hut if Kabal runs the game or not. I mean nobody denies that REO is by far the best Kabal, but ask Pig how much money he's lost because of Kabal, and not just REO's. Pig has lost to CD Jr's Kabal (EVO), Detroit's Kabal (SCR or NCR, can't remember), Cat's Kabal (Final Round), and PL's Kabal (CEO). That's pretty much every single top Kabal in the game. Does any of that mean Kenshi isn't a great character or Pig isn't a great player? Hell, we're talking about the Darth Vader of the game in Pig (as coined by Tom Brady), playing the second best character in the game.

You're trying to argue based on someone losing a matchup repeatedly (and a matchup that's not in his favor) to justify a statement that Kabal was "running every tournament" in the game.

Again, I never said that Kabal wasn't at the top of the matchup chart, wasn't a great character, or wasn't able to win. I took issue with the fact that people said Kabal was running every tournament in MK9, when clearly he wasn't. There was one dominant player and that was REO, who factually was one of the best tournament players to ever play that game. Other than that, by the end of the game's life Kabal was doing about as well as any other tournament-winning character.

People keep trying to paint a picture of Kabal as this unstoppable killing machine of a character that was cleaning up every tournament, but it's not true.

 

[trustinme]

Johnny cage is the kabal of injustice.

 

[ZigZag]

?

RYX said you were dead.

Then some people did in stream chat too.

 

[ZigZag]

Trust me, if I were dead, I'd be the first person to tell you.
I just left the Bane council and retired from injustice.

Ahhhh See i thought he was fucking with me, but then I asked the WNF stream chat and others said you were and I was like woah

 

[Big Pampering]

Tom Brady: "I think superman is fine. I actually think he needs a buff"

I think this is circa ufgt? When I get to a computer I can find it.

stop, you know of a little thing called sarcasm?

 

[ZigZag]

Hahaha... I've been in PA without internet service for a while.
Though I wish I'd known, I woulda played along with it.

You've taught RYX too well Doom, I was actually upset a bit there.

Don't ever leave me DOOM YOU CAN'T!

 

[coolwhip]

You're trying to argue based on someone losing a matchup (and a matchup that's not in his favor) to justify a statement that Kabal was "running every tournament" in the game.

Again, I never said that Kabal wasn't at the top of the matchup chart, wasn't a great character, or wasn't able to win. I took issue with the fact that people said Kabal was running every tournament in MK9, when clearly he wasn't. There was one dominant player and that was REO, who factually was one of the best tournament players to ever play that game. Other than that, by the end of the game's life Kabal was doing about as well as any other tournament-winning character.

People keep trying to paint a picture of Kabal as this unstoppable killing machine of a character that was cleaning up every tournament, but it's not true.

It only wasn't true in the sense that he wasn't cleaning up EVERY tournament... But then again, you're being too literal, as M2Dave would say. And using "the end of the game's life" as an argument about Kabal doing "as well as any other character" only focuses on one period in the game's lifespan, a period that ended with 2-3 months of rustiness due to everyone focusing on a different game. The EVO top 8 contained 3 Kabal players: REO, PL, and Detroit (PL actually used Kabal in more match-ups than Lao at EVO, true story). Yes, one player was able to outplay everyone with a different character, but nobody ever said Kabal was impossible to beat. We know we have good enough players to surmount losing match-ups. But 3 Kabals in the top 8 is pretty telling.

And Kabal wasn't doing "as well as any other character" in 2013. He still won more tournaments than any other character (any tournament REO won + Curbo's win + PL's win at CEO).

 

[Rampage254]

Anyone that said Injustice was balanced.

 

[coolwhip]

stop, you know of a little thing called sarcasm?

Isn't that a Black Adam player from Atlanta?

 

[Big Pampering]

can people please stop putting false words in each others mouths? Its such a sneaky and nasty bitch thing to do. If you want to discuss something, come up with solid arguments instead of attacking other peoples images. This is what girls do and I suggest people stop doing this, especially the people who are doing this while being fully aware it is something the other person has never said. BTW Dave you know you are one of them, I like you, youre funny but this is something you have to stop doing.

 

[HammerZeit88]

Do we really need more of these stupid poll threads from m2dave? Wouldn't our time be better served leveling up our skills in this game then read another garbage troll thread from him? I'm not known in the FGC and don't play IGAU more then an hour or 2 a week which means my opinion doesn't matter here, but it just feels like everything involving m2dave just sucks. But again thats my opinion.

 

[ZigZag]

Superman needs buffs.
Scorpion was fine.
Aquaman is mid at best.
Black Adam is the best.
Martian Man Hunter will not consistently place top 8
Batgirl will become the most popular character.
Zod can't zone like deathstroke.
Deathstroke is still the best zoner.
Wonder Woman is yet to be discovered as the Kabal.
Shazam is top 10.
Killer frost needs more buffs she's not good.
Low gun shots are viable.
Lobo is top 5 because he has 1 bar 50% mid screens.

NOW I AM THE MOST WRONG!

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

I agree.

But some fools take some statements too literally.

"Kabal of Injustice" may simply refer to some highly dominant match ups and no match up worse than 5:5.

Just like "Kano of Injustice" may refer to "from top to low mid tier within a patch".

But KTP are the masters of quote fabrication and propaganda.

By 'Kabal of Injustice' I mean no matches worse than 5-5, and her rushdown is rediculous to the point that 1 touch can cause a whole load of shit for the other guy, more so than other characters that are also like that, such as the flash.

 

[Solo]

I'm wrong.. I'm always wrong.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

It only wasn't true in the sense that he wasn't cleaning up EVERY tournament... But then again, you're being too literal, as M2Dave would say. And using "the end of the game's life" as an argument about Kabal doing "as well as any other character" only focuses on one period in the game's lifespan, a period that ended with 2-3 months of rustiness due to everyone focusing on a different game.

Ok, so lets say "roughly" instead of literally, and let's go back a little farther back than 2-3 months.

Here's the full last part of the game's life in terms of who was winning tournaments:

SCR - Jax
NCR - Kung Lao
Final Round - Smoke
Civil War - Kabal
Toryuken - Cyrax
UFGT - Johnny Cage.. with a hint of Kenshi
CEO - Kung Lao, bit of Raiden, and Kabal -- mostly Lao
VxG - Johnny Cage
EVO - Cyrax
Summer Jam - Mileena/Sonya

Let me know if I forgot anything, and I'll add it.

MK @ ECT was tiny and not counted as a main game, so I'll leave that one out. I think Civil War was counted -- so I'll leave that one in.

So you can see that, factually, Kabal wasn't 'running everything' in the last era of the game's life (not even roughly). He had some good periods -- but by the end, he was performing about on par with the other top characters in terms of tournament wins.

 

[M2Dave]

By 'Kabal of Injustice' I mean no matches worse than 5-5, and her rushdown is rediculous to the point that 1 touch can cause a whole load of shit for the other guy, more so than other characters that are also like that, such as the flash.

The Flash does 55-60% of damage mid screen, wall carries, and sets up a corner 50/50 mix up that does 35% of damage.

No other character in Injustice can match this BS. You only need two bars to do it, half of which is gained from spamming lightning leg during trait combo.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

The Flash does 55-60% of damage mid screen, wall carries, and sets up a corner 50/50 mix up that does 35% of damage.

No other character in Injustice can match this BS.

33/33/33 is better than 5050.

 

[Deyrax]

That's a rhetorical question.

 

[M2Dave]

33/33/33 is better than 5050.

Not if the 50/50 leads to 60% of damage.

 

[trustinme]

Anyone that said Injustice was balanced.

yeah,what they mean is that the low tier characters in injustice aren't as bad as the ones in mk9

 

[AcidGlow]

Who is the most wrong person in the NRS community?
Me!
AcidGlow: "Injustice is a good game"

 

[Rampage254]

yeah,what they mean is that the low tier characters in injustice aren't as bad as the ones in mk9

People thought the same thing when MK was this young.

 

[Dizzy]

I think that one guy, totterymanx I believe deserves the award. He said DS would never place top 4 at a major then about 4 days later DS was 4th at UFGT. God that dude was the worst at that time. It's hard to surpass m2dave and RYX in stupid DS posts but he did it