Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

[ZigZag]

I agree with Batman being 4-6
I however don't agree with grundy being 6-4, or Doomsday being 6-4
I think those matchups are 4-6 for Shazam as well

Alot of People know Shazam Bodies big body characters, the only one who breaks even is Bane for sure.

 

[SZSR]

This always happens when someone makes a MU thread.I dont understand why you had to make one when theres one stickied in the shazam forum plus these kind of threads always start dumb arguments since no one in this community can agree on anything and get butthurt if you say their character loses to said character.

The worst part is Zigzag isn't even saying that Shazam beats anyone, but if anyone humors that Shazam can go even with then all hell breaks loose.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

I think credibility definitely plays a role, but also someone's own opinion has to be taken into account as well. MU charts are opinions of course and are subject to change without a doubt. So I say, let him have his opinion, doesn't have to be the most popular one since it is just his thoughts. This is usually why my bro doesn't look into MU charts unless they are on his main because he isn't in the mood for arguing pointlessly with ppl who probably aren't going to change their opinion on a matchup.

 

[Shawi]

Couple of things.

1. Why do matchup threads ALWAYS get infinitely more exposure/attention than other useful threads? Do people just like the measure dick sizes?

2. Matchups for the most part are completely opinion based, and ZigZag has said numerous times it's mroe of a living matchup chart than can be altered depending how things pan out, the numbers here are only his opinion.

3. So what if he hasn't got the highest level for every character? Again, it's purely his opinion and is completely subject to change if it's discussed or played out by higher level players of those characters. There is absolutely no reason for people to be the worlds biggest asshat just because they don't like the numbers they see.

4. Blatantly saying "you're not credible" as a reason for someones opinion being worthless is beyond insulting. The idea of a forum is for people to discuss and collectively improve, if someone not so well known is being told "you're not a top level tournament player, who are you have an opinion", which a post like that definitely sounds like, completely defeats the purpose of what matchup discussions involve.

Lets keep things civil here people, no need for this thread to turn into something awful.

Thanks for bringing the English etiquette to the Americans.

 

[Mikemetroid]

I agree with Batman being 4-6
I however don't agree with grundy being 6-4, or Doomsday being 6-4
I think those matchups are 4-6 for Shazam as well

Actually with B2 3 being a launcher now, Shazam can blow up grundy mid screen now...

 

[juicepouch]

The worst part is Zigzag isn't even saying that Shazam beats anyone, but if anyone humors that Shazam can go even with then all hell breaks loose.

When you put it like that, it's actually kinda funny. People are so riled up by the simple prospect that somebody thinks Shazam might go even with anyone? Sometimes I think we all take ourselves too seriously

 

[Shawi]

Hey Tom Brady , I was just checking Aquaman vs Shazam and b2 has some weeeirddd property. The command grab completely whiffs when AM does b2. I don't play aquaman too much but if you set Shazam to reversal HM, then do f1....b2 see what happens. Not sure if you know this already or whether or not you can make any use out of it.

 

[ZigZag]

When you put it like that, it's actually kinda funny. People are so riled up by the simple prospect that somebody thinks Shazam might go even with anyone? Sometimes I think we all take ourselves too seriously

Shazam is not allowed to be good though, He doesn't have a F23
haha, It's true though I barely Gave a positive MU, but he has to lose to everyone, I'll admit not all numbers were spot on like I said, But He's better than people have seen.

 

[Cage Redfield]

I'm curious to hear why you think Lobo vs Shazam is in Lobo's favor. I've had it pegged as a 5-5, even after the massive list of buffs Lobo received.

 

[zoofs]

i always thought shazam was a lot better than people were giving him credit for. sure he has loopholes but in a game designed the way injustice is, there will be some characters have have some pretty shitty matchups

a lot of people like to up play him, im not saying hes absolute worst in the game but he definitely has a lot of problems. fortunately his matchups aren't the worst part about him, he has no completely dominated matchups other than possibly kf

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

TBH I think AM v Shazam is 6-4 aquaman

 

[RM Jonnitti]

a lot of people like to up play him, im not saying hes absolute worst in the game but he definitely has a lot of problems. fortunately his matchups aren't the worst part about him, he has no completely dominated matchups other than possibly kf

in general most people say hes pretty bad. i just think in general there are a handful of characters that were written off as being bad early in the game and never got any attention. i honestly dont think any character is absolutely useless, just some need a secondary to help in bad matchups.

 

[ZigZag]

I'm curious to hear why you think Lobo vs Shazam is in Lobo's favor. I've had it pegged as a 5-5, even after the massive list of buffs Lobo received.

It's not, It's in Shazams, I've always thought 5-5 for a while after patch, but I personally need more games with Ketchup, and i've taken opinions of others into account here

 

[rev0lver]

shazam either beats lex or its even imo.

 

[Doombawkz]

Another point: A MU list can't exist without first consulting the best tournament proven shazam players ,

the best shazam players are Reo PPJ and heroic legacy from my personal exp and viewing

Its so hard for me not to make fun of this post, but Subzerosmoke would get mad at me if I did.

I'll leave it at this:
This is an empty community, and PPJ has a good shazam but until I see those players coming in here and posting tech as often and as thoroughly as I do for my character, then I don't think anyone has the weight to call someone else on their credibility.

Until I see you or anyone else place top 8 using mainly Shazam against decent opponents consistently, I'll refuse to believe this guy should be chastised for not knowing the MU numbers. 6-4 Zod at minimum? Did you know about his OTGs? His ability to blow up pretty much all of your wake-ups meterless after an AT for about 34% each time? Zod Charge, Force push, even super. The whole enchirito. The only thing it doesn't blow up is parry, and good luck making that a good option all things considered.

Know what? I bet 90% of the shazams you ask would tell you they don't know how to do it.

Not to show disrespect, I respect you as a player but as a community leader you should be coming in here with Zod info to help correct him, not harsh words to put down an already suffering part of the community.

 

[Shawi]

I think PPJ plays a very disrespectful style of Shazam. He doesn't respect that AT can be punished, a bit like the way Brady described Sonic Fox's batgirl style of play in the latest podcast - regardless he'll always throw that wakeup cartwheel out. Having played Shazam from the start, a major aspect of us winning games is our opponents ignorance of the matchup.

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

It's not, It's in Shazams, I've always thought 5-5 for a while after patch, but I personally need more games with Ketchup, and i've taken opinions of others into account here

Its 5-5 at best imo Lobo's shotgun & Charge moves play a huge part in this MU so if lobo can keep his distance and stay a good range away from shazam it could be tough .On the other hand lobo can't get any oki against shazam plus I think shazam is much better in an upclose fight.So I think its 5-5

 

[MrFrayFray]

MM match up i believe is 4-6 or 5-5

 

[ForeverKing]

Actually with B2 3 being a launcher now, Shazam can blow up grundy mid screen now...

Alot of People know Shazam Bodies big body characters, the only one who breaks even is Bane for sure.

I still don't think so. Every character in the game can blow up walking corpse, just because Shazam has a new way to blow it up doesn't mean the whole matchup has changed. Either people are using Grundy/Doomsday wrong or you guys are upplaying Shazam. Because I destroy every Shazam I play with Doomsday/Grundy.

TKT, add me on XBL. I wanna play your Shazam. Gamertag: C88 ForeverKing

 

[@MylesWright_]

Pages 1 and 4 have been the most entertaining.
Blind man/ducky's confidence and the emergence of Tom Brady were highlights

 

[Doombawkz]

Shazam?
b.23 is harder to time, but it does the same thing and punishes super for a near full combo.
Can't block because command grab. Can't jump or backdash either because the game forces you to stay there and put yourself back to neutral.

But ya know...
6-4 Zod minimum, right?

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

Shazam goes even with Frost and the Raven match up is a mystery. TYM at its finest.

 

[RYX]

Shazam?
b.23 is harder to time, but it does the same thing and punishes super for a near full combo.
Can't block because command grab. Can't jump or backdash either because the game forces you to stay there and put yourself back to neutral.

But ya know...
6-4 Zod minimum, right?

damn son, that's the real deal

 

[ZigZag]

I still don't think so. Every character in the game can blow up walking corpse, just because Shazam has a new way to blow it up doesn't mean the whole matchup has changed. Either people are using Grundy/Doomsday wrong or you guys are upplaying Shazam. Because I destroy every Shazam I play with Doomsday/Grundy.

TKT, add me on XBL. I wanna play your Shazam. Gamertag: C88 ForeverKing

Will do.

 

[Doombawkz]

damn son, that's the real deal

That's with me being a shit shazam as far as the whole timing goes.