Match-up Discussion Shazams true Match up Chart.

[juicepouch]

No

You're getting the response you're getting because you have zero credibility and furthermore your numbers are atrocious.

Also I'm sorry but posting MU charts w phrases like "I have no idea about this MU" is not ever a good thing

Excuse me if I'm wrong (after all, I have less credibility than ZigZag does) but isn't the point of posting a MU chart here so that we can get community feedback to reach a general consensus? I mean, you gotta start somewhere.

 

[RM Jonnitti]

Get better as DS.
Keep Shazam Full Screen, He has no options.

if thats really all it is then awesome. hes the only shazam i played so i cant really be upset losing to him the first time we played. i had no idea what was going on

 

[ZigZag]

That's cool but he posted a chart misleading people who visit the site who have no clue

Charts need to w discussed and decided on in a proper organized fashion in the MUS discussion threads or privately in threads

Threads like this should exist when only the shazam community has come to agreement mostly

What he posted is mind numbing

"Shazam community"
Then why are you here?

But Honestly there is something you can at least help with, As someone who did play alot of Sinestro and Zod, You should surely be able to give an honest opinion on how bad the MU is for shazam, It can't be too good but i'm sure you know better than most people.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Excuse me if I'm wrong (after all, I have less credibility than ZigZag does) but isn't the point of posting a MU chart here so that we can get community feedback to reach a general consensus? I mean, you gotta start somewhere.

See my last post on previous page

You guys HAVE a thread for this, shazam MU discussion

If that exists then wtf is this for??

Again see my last post

Thx

 

[ZigZag]

if thats really all it is then awesome. hes the only shazam i played so i cant really be upset losing to him the first time we played. i had no idea what was going on

Of course I'm being Vague as hell and I'm sorry lol, But Shazam doesn't get in well, you just have to make decent reads when zoning and keep him at full screen.

 

[RYX]

TKT ZigZag

it may be too soon to decide on MUs so quickly. IMO Shazam is still an unrefined character, shown by recently discovered tech and tech yet to be discovered. I think the best idea would be to have this thread purged, OP edited and the title changed to 1.08 MatchUp discussion with numbers that we can agree on first

 

[Indecisive]

Can someone help me understand how to fuck up shazam as DS? ISF_AWG_Indecisive plays at my weekly and on paper you guys are telling me i should never lose to him but its happened before. he kind of just walks in and eventually gets there and listens for MB guns.

Basically the reason i am able to decent in this MU is a wait for the right time to Dash in and strike. I know most of DS Strings so i know when to backdash at the right times and things like that. One thing you do that you shouldnt is MB Sword spin on wake since its unsafe on block so i get a full combo punish. @IsfSilentJay Should know this MU very well so he should be able to shed better light on it. Also if you see me go for Wake up Teleport MB Gun shot me for a punish. Or jump back and J3 me to punish it. Another thing that you can do that may not be the most orthodox would be when you get knock back from one of my attacks Wake up Guns me if im not right in front of you. It can catch me off guard sometimes when im trying to dash in against you. Also trick me with F3 since Shazam has a low hitbox when crouching it can cross me up which is what i will usually go for to block. Thats when you can mind game me and space out the F3 to not Cross up on me.

 

[RM Jonnitti]

Of course I'm being Vague as hell and I'm sorry lol, But Shazam doesn't get in well, you just have to make decent reads when zoning and keep him at full screen.

seems simple enough. i was trying to pressure him with f3 because he was getting around my gun nonsense pretty well just walking forward and shit, playing really patiently. i also realized i couldnt really vortex him. thanks for the tips dude, we'll see how things play out in 2 days if i end up going. 3 exams this week :/

 

[Indecisive]

Get better as DS.
Keep Shazam Full Screen, He has no options.

So does that mean when you Play against DS you just put down the Controller and give up. You block and Dash and be careful and Patient until you are able to get in and do some serious damage

 

[RM Jonnitti]

Basically the reason i am able to decent in this MU is a wait for the right time to Dash in and strike. I know most of DS Strings so i know when to backdash at the right times and things like that. One thing you do that you shouldnt is MB Sword spin on wake since its unsafe on block so i get a full combo punish. @IsfSilentJay Should know this MU very well so he should be able to shed better light on it. Also if you see me go for Wake up Teleport MB Gun shot me for a punish. Or jump back and J3 me to punish it. Another thing that you can do that may not be the most orthodox would be when you get knock back from one of my attacks Wake up Guns me if im not right in front of you. It can catch me off guard sometimes when im trying to dash in against you. Also trick me with F3 since Shazam has a low hitbox when crouching it can cross me up which is what i will usually go for to block. Thats when you can mind game me and space out the F3 to not Cross up on me.

thats a lot dude. also where you at? i dont really practice this game much because the online sucks and i dont have xbl set up at my place, or even the patch . it says you're close to 8 on the break and im 15 minutes away. we should session from time to time so i dont fall too behind.

 

[ZigZag]

So does that mean when you Play against DS you just put down the Controller and give up. You block and Dash and be careful and Patient until you are able to get in and do some serious damage

hahaha NO I've always thought i need to get better at dealing with zoning personally, I find it hard, but no doubt it's hard for Shazam against a good DS, they put you full screen and you suffer alot of damage still getting back in.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

"Shazam community"
Then why are you here?

But Honestly there is something you can at least help with, As someone who did play alot of Sinestro and Zod, You should surely be able to give an honest opinion on how bad the MU is for shazam, It can't be too good but i'm sure you know better than most people.

Besides playing about 8 characters I'm extremely interested in all MU charts and every community discussion because it overall prepared me for every situation and match up

I also like to read when some people think b12 is punishable w Aquaman because that tells me what I can get away w when playing that person

I read all forums to find peoples fears, pros and cons

ZOD wins 6-4 minimum
Sinestro wins 6-4

These are not final numbers, hence why I haven't posted a ZOD true MU chart .

MU charts take time to be finalized and while I have an idea and summary for every MU neither will be finalized till around jan feb and even then it could change slightly

Another point: A MU list can't exist without first consulting the best tournament proven shazam players ,

the best shazam players are Reo PPJ and heroic legacy from my personal exp and viewing

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Couple of things.

1. Why do matchup threads ALWAYS get infinitely more exposure/attention than other useful threads? Do people just like the measure dick sizes?

2. Matchups for the most part are completely opinion based, and ZigZag has said numerous times it's mroe of a living matchup chart than can be altered depending how things pan out, the numbers here are only his opinion.

3. So what if he hasn't got the highest level for every character? Again, it's purely his opinion and is completely subject to change if it's discussed or played out by higher level players of those characters. There is absolutely no reason for people to be the worlds biggest asshat just because they don't like the numbers they see.

4. Blatantly saying "you're not credible" as a reason for someones opinion being worthless is beyond insulting. The idea of a forum is for people to discuss and collectively improve, if someone not so well known is being told "you're not a top level tournament player, who are you have an opinion", which a post like that definitely sounds like, completely defeats the purpose of what matchup discussions involve.

Lets keep things civil here people, no need for this thread to turn into something awful.

 

[Indecisive]

thats a lot dude. also where you at? i dont really practice this game much because the online sucks and i dont have xbl set up at my place, or even the patch . it says you're close to 8 on the break and im 15 minutes away. we should session from time to time so i dont fall too behind.

Im like 10 Minutes from the Break. And we should at one point. If i know a MU pretty well im usually able to give reason to how the other person can deal with it. Hopefully what i said helps.

 

[RM Jonnitti]

Im like 10 Minutes from the Break. And we should at one point. If i know a MU pretty well im usually able to give reason to how the other person can deal with it. Hopefully what i said helps.

word ill hit you up on tuesday if i end up going which is really up in the air. this week sucks. ive been trying to get a group of guys together to practice on a biweekly basis or some shit but it hasn't happened

 

[ZigZag]

TKT ZigZag

it may be too soon to decide on MUs so quickly. IMO Shazam is still an unrefined character, shown by recently discovered tech and tech yet to be discovered. I think the best idea would be to have this thread purged, OP edited and the title changed to 1.08 MatchUp discussion with numbers that we can agree on first

Clearly too soon for the community to handle, We must hide for another 100 years and re surface later, I think I'd rather have this whole thing shut down but people seem to be giving off some decent info here or there so it's doing something.

 

[Shawi]

Do one of those tutorials for Shazam then pig with Reo? AK Pig Of The Hut

 

[juicepouch]

See my last post on previous page

You guys HAVE a thread for this, shazam MU discussion

If that exists then wtf is this for??

Again see my last post

Thx

It seems silly to single out the Shazam community for having multiple threads for the same thing. Black Adam has by my count 3 MU charts, for example. I fail to see the harm in extended discussion

 

[RM Jonnitti]

TKT ZigZag

it may be too soon to decide on MUs so quickly. IMO Shazam is still an unrefined character, shown by recently discovered tech and tech yet to be discovered. I think the best idea would be to have this thread purged, OP edited and the title changed to 1.08 MatchUp discussion with numbers that we can agree on first

i always thought shazam was a lot better than people were giving him credit for. sure he has loopholes but in a game designed the way injustice is, there will be some characters have have some pretty shitty matchups

 

[Indecisive]

hahaha NO I've always thought i need to get better at dealing with zoning personally, I find it hard, but no doubt it's hard for Shazam against a good DS, they put you full screen and you suffer alot of damage still getting back in.

I agree it is difficult for Shazam to get in. But when he gets in if you careful he will stay in. And with the Command Grab distance buff it makes it somewhat easier. One thing that you need to be careful about is DS Wake up options. Make sure to punish Sword Flip if he ever does it. If you dont then well you have a problem. And i think you can punish non MB Sword Spin still need to test that out. Make sure to LISTEN to sound cues for guns. Usually when DS Starts yelling it means he did a MB. Thats the only way im actually able to beat DS is listening to sound Cues. As long as you stay in you have the advantage. And the chip damage he does is nothing compared to the damage that you do from a full combo.

 

[RYX]

Clearly too soon for the community to handle, We must hide for another 100 years and re surface later, I think I'd rather have this whole thing shut down but people seem to be giving off some decent info here or there so it's doing something.

The problem is you bring up a new MU chart with a very different opinion with no argument to support this. I'm not saying this is WRONG, but it fails to create open discussion and in this community, will only start a pissing contest.

I think it best we should create a community chart with different explanations per MU( I.e someone explaining Shazam's end of the DS match and someone explaining the DS players' advantages, pros and con's listed for both characters per MU, etc,)

 

[ZigZag]

The problem is you bring up a new MU chart with a very different opinion with no argument to support this. I'm not saying this is WRONG, but it fails to create open discussion and in this community, will only start a pissing contest.

I think it best we should create a community chart with different explanations per MU( I.e someone explaining Shazam's end of the DS match and someone explaining the DS players' advantages, pros and con's listed for both characters per MU, etc,)

No doubt, Reply to the Inbox, probably a good time to discuss Shazam than any right now lol.

 

[ForeverKing]

I agree with Batman being 4-6
I however don't agree with grundy being 6-4, or Doomsday being 6-4
I think those matchups are 4-6 for Shazam as well

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

This always happens when someone makes a MU thread.I dont understand why you had to make one when theres one stickied in the shazam forum plus these kind of threads always start dumb arguments since no one in this community can agree on anything and get butthurt if you say their character loses to said character.

 

[ZigZag]

This always happens when someone makes a MU thread.I dont understand why you had to make one when theres one stickied in the shazam forum plus these kind of threads always start dumb arguments since no one in this community can agree on anything and get butthurt if you say their character loses to said character.

I did not expect such rumble, Because not only is that dead lol
but this was to get straight to the point, Shazam is slow going.