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xKhaoTik

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maximusroman said:
since when does kf only have 1 bad match? she loses to bladam, gl, zod, mmh, and batman
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Lmao no.

Loses to BA. Goes even with Batman and GL. Beats zod. MMH is questionable.
GGA 16 Bit said:
If she only has one bad MU how is she not top 5? It would seem she has a top 5 MU chart?


I agree with Crimson Shadow, he's making good points in this thread.
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I get so emo when it comes to placing her ad top 5. As bad as I want to, I stray away from it because interactables really hurt her. Her air game isn't the greatest either.
 
maximusroman

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how is batman not bad for her when he can punish slide on block with bats? and enlighten me on how zod could not be bad when he has same backdash as bladam and gets to throw interactables for free at kf with trait up. kf is forced to block gl b1 after slide and it goes to machine gun so she always has to keep getting in and jump back missles own her cause she has to approach. mmh is always in air which kf sucks at and mmh orbs keep her out while kf cant even zone due to teleports
 
16 Bit

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xKhaoTik said:
Lmao no.

Loses to BA. Goes even with Batman and GL. Beats zod. MMH is questionable.


I get so emo when it comes to placing her ad top 5. As bad as I want to, I stray away from it because interactables really hurt her. Her air game isn't the greatest either.
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Well I'm not saying she is or isn't but she hasn't had the results that Superman, Batman, and Black Adam have. Then again neither has Aquaman. It's interesting, that's why I think Crimson brings up a good point.
 
xKhaoTik

xKhaoTik

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maximusroman said:
how is batman not bad for her when he can punish slide on block with bats? and enlighten me on how zod could not be bad when he has same backdash as bladam and gets to throw interactables for free at kf with trait up. kf is forced to block gl b1 after slide and it goes to machine gun so she always has to keep getting in and jump back missles own her cause she has to approach. mmh is always in air which kf sucks at and mmh orbs keep her out while kf cant even zone due to teleports
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STOP talking.
GGA 16 Bit said:
Well I'm not saying she is or isn't but she hasn't had the results that Superman, Batman, and Black Adam have. Then again neither has Aquaman. It's interesting, that's why I think Crimson brings up a good point.
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OK I see what you mean. Yea that does make sense. That's weird now that I think about it lol
 
Killphil

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You know what I love about this thread? EVERY single person is saying that the "community" just doesn't understand or whatever and that you guys all do somehow. Let me join in the circle jerk here so I don't feel like I'm part of the "community that doesn't get it". LBSH its a select few plus a few stream monsters that you hear shit from. The attitudes of a lot of members make me hesitant to post, but fuck it, come at me with your salt.
 
Mr Aquaman

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I argue the lather in this whole thing, results in tournament should have the huge role in tier. you can make a MU chart based purely on MU numbers, but where do the numbers come from, communities opinions, and because a character has one move? (-_-) tournament results should help decide who beats who and from there maybe a chart can be made.
 
NKZero

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I have always maintained that MU numbers should purely come from character tools on paper. How one characters frame data stacks up against the other. What happens if a certain move/attack is used versus this character. Can they punish? How much do they get out of it etc...

Not only do you not require highest level playing to see it, but you WON'T get the highest level because nobody can play the perfect character. Not to mention people have different playing styles etc. which may affect MU numbers.

Tournament placing, players playing the characters or anything like that has nothing to do with it. It's purely paper and theory based, contrary to what many believe.
 
Mr Aquaman

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maximusroman said:
um ok mr. "kf only has 1 bad mu" but then doesnt win any majors or top 3 finishes. keep upplaying kf
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hes Hollywood, hold it for whole :] , hes out there proving that she has almost no bad MU's. if you want to argue that she loses to superman, play kf and go play the best supermans. than play superman against the best kfs. don't sit behind a screen and think you can learn everything about injustice and expect not too get blown up. especially by an OG like khaotik
 
maximusroman

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Mr Aquaman said:
hes Hollywood, hold it for whole :] , hes out there proving that she has almost no bad MU's. if you want to argue that she loses to superman, play kf and go play the best supermans. than play superman against the best kfs. don't sit behind a screen and think you can learn everything about injustice and expect not too get blown up. especially by an OG like khaotik
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lol when did i say kf loses to supes? sad if you need to put words in my mouth to win a fight
 
xKhaoTik

xKhaoTik

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Mr Aquaman said:
hes Hollywood, hold it for whole :] , hes out there proving that she has almost no bad MU's. if you want to argue that she loses to superman, play kf and go play the best supermans. than play superman against the best kfs. don't sit behind a screen and think you can learn everything about injustice and expect not too get blown up. especially by an OG like khaotik
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I'm just laughing because his dumbass is proving my point about this thread lol
 
CrimsonShadow

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I think the Flash is another good example. A while back, a lot of people concluded that he is absolute top tier because of a list of theoretical strengths. After he was buffed, the consensus was that he was broken or automatic Top 5 based on his damage, frame data, mixups and 50/50's, etc.

But then in practice, maybe he struggles with some things like range, etc or he's still vulnerable to other characters' BS. The practical evidence would suggest that maybe people were having a knee-jerk reaction to the buffs and prematurely predicting him to dominate the game.

Either that or.. Everyone is playing him wrong and just needs time to level up. But which is it? Or maybe it's somewhere in the middle :)

I feel like the jury was still out on the Flash and it'd be great to see how more great players do with him (and we may never get that chance pre-patch) -- but overall, it just seems like you need both the results and the theory to come to any kind of reasonable conclusions. People are to prone to rush into assumptions, and the real-world evidence is the only thing that helps keep them in check.
 
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