Breaking Bad (SPOILERS!)

[jaym7018]

saying jesse would have never commited murder if he never hooked up with Walter is pretty far-fetched. Jesse was a meth head drug dealer. I'm sure there was a good chance of it happening either way.

Not really im willing to bet the vast majority of low level drug dealers have never committed murder.

 

[jaym7018]

Walter became fearless ever since his diagnosis.

Then why was he scared shitless of gus. If walter was fearless then marie is right , why doesnt he just kill himself.

 

[Wemfs]

Then why was he scared shitless of gus. If walter was fearless then marie is right , why doesnt he just kill himself.

Who ended up getting blown the fuck up? That's right, Gus did. Walter realized this fucktard needed to die and he handled it. He was only scared of him murdering his family.

 

[Haze]

if walt f23's his ass outta this unharmed i would be really dissapionted them nazi's unloaded everything they had on his car

 

[Haze]

also anybody who says the wire is shit dont know what dafuck hes talking about

 

[jaym7018]

Who ended up getting blown the fuck up? That's right, Gus did. Walter realized this fucktard needed to die and he handled it. He was only scared of him murdering his family.

You just said he was fearless now hes scared for his families well being, which is it?

 

[jaym7018]

http://heisenbergschemistry.com/2012/06/14/handedness-and-the-one-who-knocks/
http://www.science20.com/chemical_education/chirality_beyond_breaking_bad-96265

Jesse and Walter are mirror opposites of each other. Remember Walter's hs lecture about mirror opposites and chirality? That's he and Jesse. Jesse and Walter are both geniuses, but they took different paths in life, one tuned out education and the other became a teacher. One became Cap'n cook and the other Walter White; however, that got reversed and the other became Jesse Pinkman and the other Heisenberg. One is the left hand and one is the right hand. He also sees Jesse as his only successful student, and the meth business as his only successful endeavor. Walter always had grand plans for himself, hence, Gray Matter technologies. His career as a chemistry teacher was also probably fueled by hubris: "Gee, I'm a genius. If I were to teach hs chemistry, I'd probably be the greatest teacher ever and produce brilliant students and that could be my great contribution to humanity.". Fail.

After Gray Matter became a success without him, he knew he'd never be able to top it, so he found a new challenge with teaching, but he failed and all he had left was the car wash, which serves as an ironic device and more chirality, because he has has two jobs that are the opposite of each other, one making things clean, and the other making things dirty. Were he to kill Jesse, he would be killing one of his only two successes in life, the other being the meth empire, which he never killed, he just "changed" it into barrels of money. Funny, he was also trying to "change" Jesse Pinkman again, into someone else, and get him to leave town...always the chemist.

In other words he sees jesse as an investment he put considerable time and effort into not the son he always wanted, which is exactly what i said. People are confusing love with protecting an investment.Jesse serves no other purpose than to be fruit from Walts labor, Walts wants things that validate his sucess thats all jesse is.

 

[Haze]

who said The Wires shit? fuck em...

i think the correct term he used was the wire sucks hobo ass........dafuck???

 

[Peckapowa]

There is nothing honest about this show whatsoever the characters are all sterotypes and it sometimes borders on WWE levels of soap oprah drama.

What is wrong with a stereotype? Pop culture and famous novels and movies, well renowned are filled with "archetypal characters," it doesn't make a show dishonest.
But yeah, you are right, walter white is a stereotypical meth cooking high school chemistry teacher...

I get what you are saying with hank, but he's supposed to be stereotypical until he changes or life hardens him.

Marie i guess is a stereotypical obnoxious spoiled brat but i think she is an amazing compliment to the show.

I really don't get where you are coming from, sure its not 100% realistic and a bit too ludicrous of a situation, but thats what makes it more interesting in compelling, it is still very honest about how people would react in this situations. Walt is an incredible exploration of an evolution into a sociopath, or perhaps that on a certain level, when we are driven backward into are animal or primal instincts, and we break down emotional and social walls that we are all sociopaths

Um? soap oprah drama? First of all, if you have ever read shakespeare it is incredibly dramatic, doesn't make it bad, it means it emphasizes emotion... doesn't make it dishonest... And the drama is not wwe/ish or soap oprah at all, its a result of incredible amounts tension and morally conflicting circumstances colliding with characters who are somewhat strong willed. It is extremely well thought out and i think honest about the human condition.

 

[Peckapowa]

There is nothing honest about this show whatsoever the characters are all sterotypes and it sometimes borders on WWE levels of soap oprah drama.

What is wrong with a stereotype? Pop culture and famous novels and movies, well renowned are filled with "archetypal characters," it doesn't make a show dishonest.
But yeah, you are right, walter white is a stereotypical meth cooking high school chemistry teacher...

I get what you are saying with hank, but he's supposed to be stereotypical until he changes or life hardens him.

Marie i guess is a stereotypical obnoxious spoiled brat but i think she is an amazing compliment to the show.

I really don't get where you are coming from, sure its not 100% realistic and a bit too ludicrous of a situation, but thats what makes it more interesting in compelling, it is still very honest about how people would react in this situations. Walt is an incredible exploration of an evolution into a sociopath, or perhaps that on a certain level, when we are driven backward into are animal or primal instincts, and we break down emotional and social walls that we are all sociopaths

Um? soap oprah drama? First of all, if you have ever read shakespeare it is incredibly dramatic, doesn't make it bad, it means it emphasizes emotion... doesn't make it dishonest... And the drama is not wwe/ish or soap oprah at all, its a result of incredible amounts tension and morally conflicting circumstances colliding with characters who are somewhat strong willed. It is extremely well thought out and i think honest about the human condition.

 

[jaym7018]

What is wrong with a stereotype? Pop culture and famous novels and movies, well renowned are filled with "archetypal characters," it doesn't make a show dishonest.
But yeah, you are right, walter white is a stereotypical meth cooking high school chemistry teacher...

I get what you are saying with hank, but he's supposed to be stereotypical until he changes or life hardens him.

Marie i guess is a stereotypical obnoxious spoiled brat but i think she is an amazing compliment to the show.

I really don't get where you are coming from, sure its not 100% realistic and a bit too ludicrous of a situation, but thats what makes it more interesting in compelling, it is still very honest about how people would react in this situations. Walt is an incredible exploration of an evolution into a sociopath, or perhaps that on a certain level, when we are driven backward into are animal or primal instincts, and we break down emotional and social walls that we are all sociopaths

Um? soap oprah drama? First of all, if you have ever read shakespeare it is incredibly dramatic, doesn't make it bad, it means it emphasizes emotion... doesn't make it dishonest... And the drama is not wwe/ish or soap oprah at all, its a result of incredible amounts tension and morally conflicting circumstances colliding with characters who are somewhat strong willed. It is extremely well thought out and i think honest about the human condition.

There is nothing wrong with a stereotype but they are exaggerated in this show to the point that the show isnt grounded in reality and borders on graphic novel . Thats not a knock on the show i still enjoy it. And come the show isnt honest he goes from underachieving teacher to drug kingpin within a year. He doez this mostly on luck and coincidence the show isnt even realistic in its own universe on 1 hand gus an infinitely smarter and more devious person than walter and it took him many years to get where he is. Walter who haz no knowledge of anything besides chemistry not only devises a way to kill gus but rises to power in a year, its silly but its fun.

This isnt some deep show that delves into the human psyche and a mans decline into sociopath. Far from it. Its an exaggerated roller coaster about a man with seemingly nothing to lose deciding to play scarface.

 

[Peckapowa]

There is nothing wrong with a stereotype but they are exaggerated in this show to the point that the show isnt grounded in reality and borders on graphic novel . Thats not a knock on the show i still enjoy it. And come the show isnt honest he goes from underachieving teacher to drug kingpin within a year. He doez this mostly on luck and coincidence the show isnt even realistic in its own universe on 1 hand gus an infinitely smarter and more devious person than walter and it took him many years to get where he is. Walter who haz no knowledge of anything besides chemistry not only devises a way to kill gus but rises to power in a year, its silly but its fun.

This isnt some deep show that delves into the human psyche and a mans decline into sociopath. Far from it. Its an exaggerated roller coaster about a man with seemingly nothing to lose deciding to play scarface.

I agree, about it being unrealistic and the time frame being ridiculous and the gun shots not hitting last night being stupid. but i disagree on the thought behind it, this show in my opinion is psychologically and theoretically brilliant. It is a show that turns everything upside down, it is a ship of fools in the sense that it builds feelings about characters to the viewer, and then the characters change overtime to upset those feelings. In the beginning you can't stand hank and walter's wife, but overtime you begin to see them evolve into extremely strong willed people, at some points in opposition of Walter and with and the viewer doesn't even know whether condemn, pity, console or praise the main character.

The level of stress and the multitude of directions the stress comes from is amazing. I think the characters react appropriately. Walter's wife is a prime example. She is placed perfectly in a situation where she becomes a victim with no escape, thus contemplating suicide and giving up at points, losing faith in life from the world melting around her. Jesse's drug use, and overwhelming guilt, combined with Walter imprisoning his mind causes him to lash out and view walter with fearful fanaticism. This show is all well planned, and it is a brilliant clusterbomb of emotions, in my opion.


And by the way let's not forget Walter is a genius, he's no ordinary chemistry expert. And it could be argued that the Devil lives inside him and he is not even consciously aware of it.

 

[Peckapowa]

Psychopathy and sociopathy are the same thing. Sociopathy has no clinical definition, it's just used to emphasise the cause of one's psychopathy.

I get that this show gets used as an excuse for people to let out all their negativity in private. It's a form of release - someone who succumbs to evil, gives the middle finger to the world and makes shit tonnes of money; something many ordinary people wish they could do.

It's just so depressing, though. Much like Dexter, but infinitely more well-written and produced. How nobody has put a bullet in Walter's brain before season 3, I don't know...

One might argue we are all sociopaths (motivated by the will to power, to become the alpha, coexisting with checks and balances including survival instincts, social phobia and the conscience) and i completely agree that this show is an excellent catharsis for people, but every show provides this to a degree. Sitcoms are designed as perfect systems of coping mechanisms that fulfill different frustations within different social demographics, in my opinion.

 

[jaym7018]

I agree, about it being unrealistic and the time frame being ridiculous and the gun shots not hitting last night being stupid. but i disagree on the thought behind it, this show in my opinion is psychologically and theoretically brilliant. It is a show that turns everything upside down, it is a ship of fools in the sense that it builds feelings about characters to the viewer, and then the characters change overtime to upset those feelings. In the beginning you can't stand hank and walter's wife, but overtime you begin to see them evolve into extremely strong willed people, at some points in opposition of Walter and with and the viewer doesn't even know whether condemn, pity, console or praise the main character.

The level of stress and the multitude of directions the stress comes from is amazing. I think the characters react appropriately. Walter's wife is a prime example. She is placed perfectly in a situation where she becomes a victim with no escape, thus contemplating suicide and giving up at points, losing faith in life from the world melting around her. Jesse's drug use, and overwhelming guilt, combined with Walter imprisoning his mind causes him to lash out and view walter with fearful fanaticism. This show is all well planned, and it is a brilliant clusterbomb of emotions, in my opion.


And by the way let's not forget Walter is a genius, he's no ordinary chemistry expert. And it could be argued that the Devil lives inside him and he is not even consciously aware of it.

I agree with most everything you said about why the show is good. But its not honest cause everything is full throttle the time line this takes place in removes the ability to relate to the characters. All these roller coasters of emotions and the ebb and flow of each character is put in fast forward cause of the shows time line. This is why i equate it to a graphic novel cause everyrhing is exaggerated in those to, doesnt mean i dont care about the characters or the story. But the stereotypes dark comedy of errors and coincidences in this timeline dont make for an honest television show as it relates to our world.

 

[Peckapowa]

I agree with most everything you said about why the show is good. But its not honest cause everything is full throttle the time line this takes place in removes the ability to relate to the characters. All these roller coasters of emotions and the ebb and flow of each character is put in fast forward cause of the shows time line. This is why i equate it to a graphic novel cause everyrhing is exaggerated in those to, doesnt mean i dont care about the characters or the story. But the stereotypes dark comedy of errors and coincidences in this timeline dont make for an honest television show as it relates to our world.

i still feel that it is honest about people (though exagerrated), but i agree with you

 

[jaym7018]

i still feel that it is honest about people (though exagerrated), but i agree with you

Twin assassins, tuco, hector, gus. These are characters in a comic book not people. Avon Barksdale, Stringer Bell, bubbles , bunk those are people.

 

[Peckapowa]

Twin assassins, tuco, hector, gus. These are characters in a comic book not people. Avon Barksdale, Stringer Bell, bubbles , bunk those are people.

i agree with you on this, not gus in my opinionm though i was thinkin gmore about hank and walt and marie and mommy

 

[jaym7018]

i agree with you on this, not gus in my opinionm though i was thinkin gmore about hank and walt and marie and mommy

Hank starts off as a comic bok character then just says screw it and goes full on batman. But the scenes in texas really humanizes him. Hes my favorite character on the show.

 

[jaym7018]

i agree with you on this, not gus in my opinionm though i was thinkin gmore about hank and walt and marie and mommy

Not gus? Mysterious government man for a notorious chilean government. Is he gay is he not gay , who knows. Doesnt exist pre 1989 and we never find out. Does the come at me bro to the sniper. Hes a comic book character.

 

[MortySeinfeld]

Lol no. Hank is batman walt is joker, batman always wins.

I think what makes this show so great is that it is entirely open to interpretation. How you feel about Walt/Hank/Jesse/Skyler/etc. is clearly different than how many others in this thread feel, and there isn't anything wrong with that; Nor is there a problem with others opinions.

I have found myself throughout the series supporting characters, later hating the decisions they make, and then being on their side again.

Even Gus had his moments where I think the viewer has their ups and downs with him.

At the very least, within the context 'of the moment' I think there are always reasons that are justified well enough for the decisions that the characters these characters make.

What I find so interesting about this show is how each character has evolved from season to season into something almost completely different based on their circumstances.

Walt is clearly a villain at this point within the show; But I think as a viewer, by now, you should understand his motivations and the decisions he has made to get himself/Jesse/Skyler/Mike/etc. out of several situations.

 

[MortySeinfeld]

Lets talk about predictions for next weeks episode and how this whole thing is going to play out.

 

[jaym7018]

Lets talk about predictions for next weeks episode and how this whole thing is going to play out.

Obviously hank is gonna kill everyone and save gomies life.

 

[Wemfs]

During the gun fight it looked like Jesse was about to make a run for it. I think he did, so there's that. Hank and his partner must have died and Walter was set free by the Natzis. How else could he have gotten away? Jesse will probably go straight back to see how Brock is doing and hear about Walters visit. Jesse obviously knows by now Walter is out to kill him after seeing the Natzis pull up with guns blazing. So I think the last remaining episodes will be a cat and mouse game between Walter and Jesse.

 

[jaym7018]

I think what makes this show so great is that it is entirely open to interpretation. How you feel about Walt/Hank/Jesse/Skyler/etc. is clearly different than how many others in this thread feel, and there isn't anything wrong with that; Nor is there a problem with others opinions.

I have found myself throughout the series supporting characters, later hating the decisions they make, and then being on their side again.

Even Gus had his moments where I think the viewer has their ups and downs with him.

At the very least, within the context 'of the moment' I think there are always reasons that are justified well enough for the decisions that the characters these characters make.

What I find so interesting about this show is how each character has evolved from season to season into something almost completely different based on their circumstances.

Walt is clearly a villain at this point within the show; But I think as a viewer, by now, you should understand his motivations and the decisions he has made to get himself/Jesse/Skyler/Mike/etc. out of several situations.

His motivations have been clear from season 1 when he wanted him and jesse to step their game up which led us to Tuco. Anyone who bought the "i want to make enoigh for my family" is gullible as hell. He had bigger aspirations from the get go. I see him as a bitter jealous man cause of what happened with grey matter. The reason i stopped watching the showwhen it first aired is i hated walt from the get go and hank was annnoying i didnt like anyone.My opinion on hank has changed and is the reason i like the show walt is still the same bitter jealous guy he always was. Hes no vic mackey as far and bad guy anti heroes go.

 

[MortySeinfeld]

Obviously hank is gonna kill everyone and save gomies life.

Here are my predictions for what I think could go down:

Spoiler

I think Hank is going to be the only one that dies in the gunfight. I believe that Jesse and Gomez are going to survive. I think this will happen from plot development standpoint.

A few things worth note, Walt drops his gun off in the distance when he gave himself up by the rocks that he had been hiding behind. At the end of the episode you can notice Jesse is beginning to try to slip away from the car. I believe he is going to and go for it and get out of the immediate gunfight.

Gomez also picks up the keys to Walt's car (this is subtle). I believe there is a possibility he might get out of the situation through this somehow.

I look at the phone call with Marie as an indicator of how the story will progress. Marie is going to wonder where her husband is, knowing that the last moments she spoke with him was that he had 'caught Walt'.

I believe she will go to the police/DEA. I believe the police will track her last conversation to determine Hanks location. They will find the remains of the firefight. Marie will end up telling everything she knows. They will find the barrels of money and may potentially use that as evidence, Walt and his family loses it all.

I believe she will give Skyler up to the police and they will both be in for questioning. I believe that both Skyler and Marie will assume that Walt put a hit out on Hank to escape the scenario.

I think there will be a big search for the arrest of Walter White, all over the news (hence why the neighbor was so afraid of Walt's return in the foreshadowing scene) that leads to the need for Walt's disappearance. Maybe Walt will take Saul up on his offer to disappear for good.

With Walt gone, I think there is a possibility that the Nazi's will force Jesse to cook for them to bring the purity levels and color up of their product (pressure from Lydia).

I think the final scene could be Walt after having lost everything (his family, money, friends), cancer in remission, coming back to save Jesse. If Jesse is forced to work for Jack/Todd/etc. it could be that Jesse is the one Walt is coming back to save.

At this point I would assume the Ricin is for Uncle Jack and Walt goes out in style.