Which fighter do you feel is MOST in need of help to compete better with the others? - the poll

[Doombawkz]

I understand your explanation for why people are off, I'm just not ok with that meaning it's fine for them to spread incorrect information on the forums. We're all trying to get better here, throwing out bloated figures you didn't bother to check helps no one and there's no excuse for doing it.

And it's still just kind of ridiculous when the answer is on the screen 100 times in the EVO footage. We don't take our damage information from looking at a health bar and generalizing, the game tells you numbers. Just add them together. This is why combo threads don't go, "It does a little less than half your opponent's health bar," they say "47%." DJT did the same bnb over and over again (off of 12 his does like 80%), and yet announcers are just off-handedly going "This is gonna do 90%."

This community doesn't believe he does "90%+" (seriously, that number shows up so often it hurts) because they're looking at health bars and guessing, though. This community just spreads the lie that he does 90%+ every time he touches you and people just kind of believe it without actually checking it out, then continue to regurgitate it over and over again, further ingraining the idea, and it seems the same thing is gonna happen with Supes. That's what my original gripe was with. People throw out asspull numbers when we as a community should be as scientific and precise as possible.

I can understand your point and I also dislike misinformation, but not everyone want to go back and count percentages and it just has to be accepted that people will generalize because not every combo will be alike. Some character you'll want more advantage against, some characters you'll want to go straight damage, some characters you'll want to make distance from, and some you'll want to drop into another bomb set-up. I'm not saying its fine, but I'm saying its a problem that does not realistically harm anything seriously because even if they are wrong, they are not wrong by much.

Announcers also generalize, but its not their job to be correct all the time. Announcers say all the time in Grr's matches "At level 3 venom he should just be doing f.2 dash cancel" when in reality its nowhere near that simple or effective, its simply a means to an end. Its their job to call what they are seeing as they see it, they don't have the advantage of retrospect like we do. They don't have time to add mid-match and say "this definitely does 81%", they have to call it and generalize.

Where did the idea come from? Also as I said in the first bit, most people don't want to check it out and the result isn't too far off anyways. Given combos could end a variety of ways, I'm sure DJT could land a 90% combo or even a triple bomb reset if he wanted to, but he does a stable 80-82% BnB reset and people see it and say "that's over 3/4 of their health and they are almost dead" and generalize it about 8-10% off of its true value. Its just going to happen, I'm not saying its ok but that its better to just accept that it happens and try to spread the right info instead of opting to berate the wrong info instead.

 

[Groove Heaven]

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This is actually really funny because I had that KDZ match on my mind.

I said in my reply to you that Supes tops out at 71% and he has to blow extra meter and put himself in the corner for the extra 2%, which is exactly what KDZ did to close the round out (that combo's only use). Obviously, Supes still does unreal corner damage and they need to fix his standing 3 and the scaling on Heat Zap, but the patch is coming and people need to chill and wait because I will bet you my bank account his corner damage will get hit with the nerfhammer.

I'm also very aware of Cyrax's 90%, I can hit it, but not reliably and I would never go for it in a match. I've been saying through this whole thread that I don't think it's Rax's bnb, waaaaaaay too many players much better than me drop it consistently in tournament and the only person I've seen hit it reliably is match is TONY-T (he did it to Brady at NEC this year), which makes sense because he's a combo artist. Same thing with Doc and his Lao, he hits crazy combos that only he can do (jip to tele3 to full combo hahaha).

I'm not saying its ok but that its better to just accept that it happens and try to spread the right info instead of opting to berate the wrong info instead.

Yeah you're right, I am being salty. I'ma calm my tits down XD

 

[TheSpore]

This is actually really funny because I had that KDZ match on my mind.

I said in my reply to you that Supes tops out at 71% and he has to blow extra meter and put himself in the corner for the extra 2%, which is exactly what KDZ did to close the round out (that combo's only use). Obviously, Supes still does unreal corner damage and they need to fix his standing 3 and the scaling on Heat Zap, but the patch is coming and people need to chill and wait because I will bet you my bank account his corner damage will get hit with the nerfhammer.

Yeah its inevitable now so many are screaming to have supes nerfed and I fully s

I'm also very aware of Cyrax's 90%, I can hit it, but not reliably and I would never go for it in a match. I've been saying through this whole thread that I don't think it's Rax's bnb, waaaaaaay too many players much better than me drop it consistently in tournament and the only person I've seen hit it reliably is match is TONY-T (he did it to Brady at NEC this year), which makes sense because he's a combo artist. Same thing with Doc and his Lao, he hits crazy combos that only he can do (jip to tele3 to full combo hahaha).




Yeah you're right, I am being salty. I'ma calm my tits down XD

Yeah its inevitable now so many are screaming to have supes nerfed and I fully see why.and yeah Tony T is combo artist all the way. The thing is that these characetrs regardless how high level a player the game should allow this type of thing to occur, these combos are mostly taking advantage of the flaws within the game's engine and exploiting these flaws.

 

[Derocus]

The only reason as to why Shazam has more votes than Lobo is because Lobo is a DLC character. Meaning that fewer people have experienced the struggle :c

Plus, Shazam mains just want a buff. Selfish. Tsk.

 

[skateblind]

Can I just say that boon asked a great question that will help out some characters and whoever made the poll adds in a walk speed option which is a bit of a FU to boons question. If you want walk speed changes that is fine, but don't be an arse and derail the original topic/question.

 

[Zino]

I signed up a few seconds ago just to vote for joker. Hes the only character i use and most of the time its an uphill battle. And the other characters that i think need help are the ones i feel comfortable fighting like shazaam and lobo.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Great, now Shazam is probably gonna be the new Flash. Why doesn't NRS just have a computer that randomly gives characters buffs and nerfs every few months? So tired of dealing with these idiots that can't make up their minds. I'm in a nightmare.

 

[cpmd4]

Great, now Shazam is probably gonna be the new Flash. Why doesn't NRS just have a computer that randomly gives characters buffs and nerfs every few months? So tired of dealing with these idiots that can't make up their minds. I'm in a nightmare.

Just curious, what exactly is the problem with buffing Shazam into top tier? He's clearly in a bad spot right now, surely the opposite is a better option?

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Just curious, what exactly is the problem with buffing Shazam into top tier? He's clearly in a bad spot right now, surely the opposite is a better option?

I just don't like how he is getting more votes than Lobo and Joker. Characters that are lower on the tier list and can't compete like Lobo go completely unnoticed because of the Shazam community. Why should Shazam keep getting buffs while Lobo stays at the bottom?

 

[cpmd4]

I just don't like how he is getting more votes than Lobo and Joker. Characters that are lower on the tier list and can't compete like Lobo go completely unnoticed because of the Shazam community. Why should Shazam keep getting buffs while Lobo stays at the bottom?

Oh I see.

I say buffs for all.

 

[DanableLector]

This is actually really funny because I had that KDZ match on my mind.

I said in my reply to you that Supes tops out at 71% and he has to blow extra meter and put himself in the corner for the extra 2%, which is exactly what KDZ did to close the round out (that combo's only use). Obviously, Supes still does unreal corner damage and they need to fix his standing 3 and the scaling on Heat Zap, but the patch is coming and people need to chill and wait because I will bet you my bank account his corner damage will get hit with the nerfhammer.

I'm also very aware of Cyrax's 90%, I can hit it, but not reliably and I would never go for it in a match. I've been saying through this whole thread that I don't think it's Rax's bnb, waaaaaaay too many players much better than me drop it consistently in tournament and the only person I've seen hit it reliably is match is TONY-T (he did it to Brady at NEC this year), which makes sense because he's a combo artist. Same thing with Doc and his Lao, he hits crazy combos that only he can do (jip to tele3 to full combo hahaha).




Yeah you're right, I am being salty. I'ma calm my tits down XD

in related news, I heard that kdz has cooked something up that goes beyond 71% .. I believe "around 90%" was what I heard.

 

[DanableLector]

I just don't like how he is getting more votes than Lobo and Joker. Characters that are lower on the tier list and can't compete like Lobo go completely unnoticed because of the Shazam community. Why should Shazam keep getting buffs while Lobo stays at the bottom?

Can't it be both?

 

[Glasuan]

Lobo needs more options to get in, otherwise he is a pretty good character. I think this is a hard one to answer. A few different characters should be buffed in order to allow them to compete better.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Can't it be both?

No, because we're only supposed to choose one fighter

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Oh I see.

I say buffs for all.

Me to, except Boon only asked for one fighter

 

[DarkPage]

I'm pretty sure more than one character is gonna get buffed there just asking who should they more focus on
I'm sure all the shit tiers will get buffs whether there huge or minor who knows

 

[Squeaker101]

Bane or Lobo. I mean, I'll gladly take Shazam buffs, but I think the other two are more in need of buffs.

 

[Big Pampering]

Me to, except Boon only asked for one fighter

Even though boon asked that, NRS is obciously not just going to fix 1 character because that would be pointless. It is pretty obvious boon expected multiple different answers like right now so I think lobo, shazam, ares and others are going to get fixed for sure.

 

[Cat]

Lmao shazam players...

You guys do know a shazam player got top 32 at EVO right?

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[Niko Mar]

I think Walkspeed is a pretty underrated character.

 

[nightw0lf]

I think Walkspeed is a pretty underrated character.

WALKSPEED FOR DLC!

 

[nightw0lf]

I don't understand this mentality: there is always going to be low-tier characters. Buff all the low-tiers and someone else becomes low-tier.

 

[skateblind]

I don't understand this mentality: there is always going to be low-tier characters. Buff all the low-tiers and someone else becomes low-tier.

Yes, but the gap between low tier and high tier might be smaller and allow for more varied matches. Bad matchups might become even or close to even match ups.

 

[CrazySlasher]

Joker.

Still not sure if Shazam sucks or most people don't know how to use him. He probably sucks.

 

[shaowebb]

Walkspeed is best character. It cant compete. Even walkspeed mirror matches are terrible right now. You never see walkspeed showing up and looking good at a major. Poor walkspeed.

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And where are walkspeeds alt outfits! 10+ for Superman and no alts for walkspeed. Saddening.