The Balance of Injustice

[THTB]

I might prefer a game where it is not about the MUs, but the players ability only. Why can't all characters have 5-5 match ups with the whole cast? Wouldn't that ultimately be balanced? Of course that would be very difficult for the devs to do without losing variety between characters or putting a lot of restrictions on gameplay, but I feel it is still possible to do if you have a good design method.

That is precisely the problem...it's pretty close to impossible to make a game like that. Even Tekken and Virtua Fighter aren't exempt from having uneven matchups. It's the nature of creating a cast of characters that play so entirely different...there's bound to be some who play vs certain characters better, and characters who are overall better than most. Both of these games are notorious for having every character have a way out of something, be it through game mechanics or the character's toolset, but it still occurs.

 

[JustPressingButtons]

Dragon Ball Z Budokai 1 was a 2 character game, worse than Injustice.

 

[GEMINIVice]

a general adjustment I wouldn't mind seeing is them making the window for performing wake ups a little more lenient

 

[chemist4hire]

a general adjustment I wouldn't mind seeing is them making the window for performing wake ups a little more lenient

Its already too easy to do wake ups. Probably one of the aspects of the game that drives people to pick characters with big damage. You knock them down with big damage and then you wake up and do big damage. lol

 

[GEMINIVice]

Its already too easy to do wake ups. Probably one of the aspects of the game that drives people to pick characters with big damage. You knock them down with big damage and then you wake up and do big damage. lol

...sure doesn't feel that way sometimes

 

[Qwark28]

People think that once Supes/BA get nerfed the game will be the most balanced game of all time and it's just so overly optimistic.

Sure, Supes and BA have stuff that needs toning down but just know that if THEY'RE not the ones on top there will be no one holding back Batman, Aquaman, and to an extent Doomsday.

The game's balance is pretty good right now, but if people think a couple of BA/Supe nerfs and a couple of buffs for some low tiers will magically make this game the most balanced game on the planet then youre not thinking it through enough. NRS would need to jump through some serious hoops with nerf/buffs to make the balance some are wishing for.

doomsday to an extent? batman destroys doomsday

 

[Qwark28]

...sure doesn't feel that way sometimes

the wakeup window buff was so big some people were considering quitting because nrs appealed to the whiners when you actually had to time a wakeup...

 

[Monster Blood]

I am loving the game honestly. There are some oversights that I think should be addressed to make certain matchups accessible and easier to approach (Superman's trait affecting lasers, which to me makes no fucking sense in the first place, Black Adam's lightning, GL), but addressed or not I still think the game is pretty good.

what about GL?

 

[Briggs8417]

Injustice would be perfect if you would stop making dumb suggestions. Your bias ness for MMH is painfully obvious. Stop jumping when he has meter and maybe you'll realize that it isn't that good.

You are so salty these days. Just relax man. WOOOOOOOSAAAAAHH!

 

[Briggs8417]

As far as the balance of the game goes, overall it's on the right track, but there is still work to be done tbh. It's more than what people are listing here. There are a bunch of characters sitting pretty in the top tier that needs some adjustments and some bottom tiers as well. When they get adressed I will be convinced that the game will be one of the more balanced around.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Personally, I like the balance in the sense that there really isn't a character you can say for sure has no disadvantage matchups.

So you just forgot black adam exists then

 

[THTB]

So you just forgot black adam exists then

No, I didn't. Debatably, he loses to GL. I say debatably, because I don't particularly believe it, but again, I'm not the GL of the world, so there's a chance I'm missing something entirely.

 

[Briggs8417]

No, I didn't. Debatably, he loses to GL. I say debatably, because I don't particularly believe it, but again, I'm not the GL of the world, so there's a chance I'm missing something entirely.

Wonder Woman is tougher for him tbh, I could see that MU being 4-6, however I think it's 5-5.

 

[THTB]

Wonder Woman is tougher for him tbh, I could see that MU being 4-6, however I think it's 5-5.

WW? Just curious why you think so...I know nothing of how the matchup goes.

 

[A New Angel Is Advent]

The game is balanced enough to be competitively viable.

A perfectly balanced fg would be so boring. Anything interesting a character does from the scumbag tactics list would not be around, and kill the meta game. I'm convinced the only way to rebalance a game and not make it more boring is to remove something OP but replace it with two other options that are situationally better and worse. More options with deeper risk reward. This game is fun but definitely the most shallow game I've put time into. More nerfs would cause commentators to sound like golf announcers.

 

[Briggs8417]

WW? Just curious why you think so...I know nothing of how the matchup goes.

She controls the air and can get around his zoning way easier than most characters with DG (The air psycho crusher thingy) combined with her air dash, although if I know the air dash is coming I'll punish. It's impossible to escape the corner when she gets you there, I only feel helpless and either pushblock or try to get a lucking jump. Overall they are things Adam can deal with, but he will just play waaaay more cautiously.

 

[Jeffreys]

Simply Buff the low tier characters so they can compete evenly with S tier characters, then you can call the game balanced. Being good with S tier characters doesn't mean you are good at the game, pick up a mid tier or low tier character and expose yourself on how bad your footsies, execution, and general game sense is. It is personally amusing to see how bad players are when they can't use Batman's J2, or Black Adam's fullscreen combo starter Divekick and ridiculous movement, KF slide, Supermans F23 Breath, Green Lantern's Low and overhead starters (GL mains on TYM are as bad as smoke and reptile downplayers), etc. When these characters are either hopefully brought down to earth, or the lower tier characters get buffs to become viable against them your going to see alot of people here exposed.

 

[haketh]

or the lower tier characters get buffs to become viable against them your going to see alot of people here exposed.

Or you'll see what we'll always see, the top players will be smart enough to keep learning more tech with their characters or move onto whoever else becomes top tier.

Damn, it's like people like you never really figured out what it means to be truly competive. I'll always say VDO, Justin K, Vegita-X, and Zazie are godlike MVC2 players, for those of you who haven't been around VDO played Rogue/Ken/Colossus, Justin K Gambit/Morrigan/Storm, Zazzie Double Wolverine/Sentinel, and Vegita Rogue/Storm/Tron. These guys were all pretty good at the game but decided to make the bad decisions of playing whoever they wanted instead of the better characters. Nothing wrong with it but when you really wanna be competitive it shows a lack of understanding *Those guys would all body me hard BTW before someone is dumb enough to infer things that aren't there*. All the people you're complaining about and calling them bad, which you are when you call out their skills because their using what you see as crutches would probably still body everyone with low tier characters if there was any reason to really play and use them.

Seriously this happens with every game, people think if the low tier characters get nerfed it means the guys on top using them are gonna fall off, it won't the guys on top are the best for a reason beyond just character choice. I can't think of a single top player who stayed on top for a good length of time who would fall off if his character(s) got nerfed.

 

[Jeffreys]

Seriously this happens with every game, people think if the low tier characters get nerfed it means the guys on top using them are gonna fall off, it won't the guys on top are the best for a reason beyond just character choice. I can't think of a single top player who stayed on top for a good length of time who would fall off if his character(s) got nerfed.

What tech do you need when you have divekick.

PL dissapeared off the map for a long ass time after God Lao was nerfed (PL was even called out by NRS who told him that he abused so much shit), yet it is generally accepted that the nerfed Kung Lao was still a top 5 character in MK.

To his credit he did come back to win Evo (a huge accomplishment) a year later but in the meanwhile he wasn't able to win the tournies like MLG.

My point is players that dedicate themselves to the game will do well in the future. Players that dedicate to Divekick will be exposed.

NRS already said "it won't always be a world of dictators."

 

[Minh Giang]

The balance could be perfect if NRS just does two things

- Tone down MMH (EX piller, sky drop teleport, range on some normals)

- Tone down Superman damage by a pinch


Injustice could be so much better and I hope NRS is bright on the above 2 characters.

injustice would be much better if you can actually know how to play the game.
lol @ MMH being OP.

 

[haketh]

What tech do you need when you have divekick.

PL dissapeared off the map for a long ass time after God Lao was nerfed (PL was even called out by NRS who told him that he abused so much shit), yet it is generally accepted that the nerfed Kung Lao was still a top 5 character in MK.

To his credit he did come back to win Evo (a huge accomplishment) a year later but in the meanwhile he wasn't able to win the tournies like MLG.

My point is players that dedicate themselves to the game will do well in the future. Players that dedicate to Divekick will be exposed.

NRS already said "it won't always be a world of dictators."

Congrats for agreeing with me.

 

[Gurpwnder]

I might prefer a game where it is not about the MUs, but the players ability only. Why can't all characters have 5-5 match ups with the whole cast? Wouldn't that ultimately be balanced? Of course that would be very difficult for the devs to do without losing variety between characters or putting a lot of restrictions on gameplay, but I feel it is still possible to do if you have a good design method.

As long as characters have different movesets / properties, there will always be some that are preferred over others.

 

[Zatoichi]

You know how people keep saying nerf Black Adam, and nerf Superman, etc? How about, we just buff the low and mid tier characters? And leave the high and top tier characters untouched? Everyone wins.

 

[Zoidberg747]

You know how people keep saying nerf Black Adam, and nerf Superman, etc? How about, we just buff the low and mid tier characters? And leave the high and top tier characters untouched? Everyone wins.

Except the game just becomes a broken POS because everyone has broken shit.

This whole buff and then not nerf thing never works, just tone down the top tier A LITTLE and then bring everyone else up.

 

[Zatoichi]

This whole buff and then not nerf thing never works, just tone down the top tier A LITTLE and then bring everyone else up.

Do we really know that though? Which fighting games have actually done this?

And what would you do to tone down characters like Black Adam, Batman and Superman?