Someone has to step up and be honest

[NightwingDayZero]

It's great if they have legit, informed, constructive opinions.

You take a look at the balance suggestion thread recently made by PL and friends?

Hard to argue how informed they are when they're making the case for Green Arrow nerfs.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

But he doesnt say "offense is boring. remove all offensive options".

lol... I respect M2dave's play style, but we both know he would say that if he thought he could get away with it.

 

[M2Dave]

From what I have read over the last few months... this community does not want a balanced game..

Not balanced as far as tier list goes, but balanced as far as contrast of styles go. You have offensive characters, defensive, zoners, and characters that are in-between having above avg offense and defense but not too powerful in either area.

If you are a defensive player or a player who uses zoning as it caters to your skill set as a player, then you naturally pick zoners or defensive characters and try to slow the game down vs heavily offensive players. As an offensive player, you pick very offensive characters and want to speed the match up and get in and mix your opponent up for eternity. At high level, these styles co-exist and you get a nice in-between with a mix of offense, defense, and zoning.. This community calls that "boring" though. They want everyone to play the exact same way. dash in, yolo, and play super fast and offensive.

A game that does not cater to multiple styles, but instead only caters to one style and one skill set would be terrible. Yet, this is exactly what ppl THINK they want.

I have heard ONE MILLION offensive buff ideas for the overall system of the game. Yet, NO ONE even mentions any zoning buffs or defensive buffs. A game needs to be able to cater to all styles...

I address the same concerns here.

I am also tired of fools calling this game boring. Injustice is a very good fighting game. It is better than MK. At least when I do my MB moves they actually come out.

 

[Doombawkz]

If you are bored with the game, play Bane!
Because... uh...
http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/got-a-problem-bane-is-the-solution.35703/
^ This. Also because nothing is more hype than a slow motion backbreaker.

 

[M2Dave]

lol... I respect M2dave's play style, but we both know he would say that if he thought he could get away with it.

Absolutely false.

The people who know me well (i.e., Master D., Tom, REO, etc.) know that I always supported all gameplay styles in a fighting game. I want there to be zoning in Injustice just as much as rush down and 50/50 mix ups.

 

[Cossner]

You take a look at the balance suggestion thread recently made by PL and friends?

Hard to argue how informed they are when they're making the case for Green Arrow nerfs.

Known devils buddy, take that shit with a grain of salt. New devils haven't earned it though.

Btw, Green Arrow suggestions were made by Mr Retarded himself, Playing to win. He's not what I'd called informed, at all lol.

Also this gif

 

[NightwingDayZero]

But he doesnt say "offense is boring. remove all offensive options".

Top 5

Green Lantern - best played by zoning with air oa's and defensively spacing b1
Aquaman - spacing, counter poking, counter zoning, mid range footsies that 90% of the cast can't touch
Batman - some of the best zoning in the game with bats/batarangs
Black Adam - trademark turtle character
Superman - watch Top 8 at EVO. Every Superman won at least one round based purely on zoning

The Top 5 are best played by utilizing their defensive and zoning options. Zoning does not consist entirely of projectiles.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

I want there to be zoning in Injustice just as much as rush down and 50/50 mix ups.

I want to believe

 

[M2Dave]

Top 5

Green Lantern - best played by zoning with air oa's and defensively spacing b1
Aquaman - spacing, counter poking, counter zoning, mid range footsies that 90% of the cast can't touch
Batman - some of the best zoning in the game with bats/batarangs
Black Adam - trademark turtle character
Superman - watch Top 8 at EVO. Every Superman won at least one round based purely on zoning

The Top 5 are best played by utilizing their defensive and zoning options. Zoning does not consist entirely of projectiles.

With the exception of Black Adam, you have also listed characters that have the best normal attacks for offensive options.

 

[LEGEND]

You take a look at the balance suggestion thread recently made by PL and friends?

Hard to argue how informed they are when they're making the case for Green Arrow nerfs.

this, main problem with most of the new comers is that ALOT of them only have experience from online play, they can't help that their information is terrible. Its not like they are all idiots or something

the same can not be said for the balance suggestion thread. . .

Cossner

 

[Vocket]

With the exception of Black Adam, you have also listed characters that have the best normal attacks for offensive options.

B23 is a pretty great string notwithstanding his ability to cancel any normal into trait..

 

[Cossner]

this, main problem with most of the new comers is that ALOT of them only have experience from online play, they can't help that their information is terrible. Its not like they are all idiots or something

the same can not be said for the balance suggestion thread. . .

Cossner

That thread...

Worst part it got front paged.

 

[M2Dave]

B23 is a pretty great string notwithstanding his ability to cancel any normal into trait..

I concur.

In reality, the characters that were mentioned are one of the best in the game because of their versatility. They can play either way given the circumstances. But for some reason people only concentrate on zoning.

 

[NightwingDayZero]

With the exception of Black Adam, you have also listed characters that have the best normal attacks for offensive options.

Zoning: Intentionally keeping distance/pressure on your opponent, either reading their style or forcing them into playing a certain way. Adaptive to close combat situations and able to make good on big damage opportunities. (sic)
[...]
A good zoning player will always create opportunities for themselves by keeping their opponent away from them as to gain control of the match, then adjust to their opponent's tactics/counters and act accordingly. (sic)
[...]
Zoning doesn't have to involve repeated moves at all. Zoning isn't just keeping your distance, it's about keeping within a very specific distance, which may not even be a half screen away. It might be just barely within range of a normal move. The idea is to establish this distance and keep it, because it limits your opponent's options and allows you to react more easily, giving you the control of the match.

 

[Zatoichi]

Most are brain dead

Batman, and Superman come to mind.

 

[Sajam]

Oh shit, you know a thread is going places when somebody explains the definition of zoning to m2dave.

 

[RexyWrecks]

I agree with PL. Even with the release of new DLC every month, the game is still boring.

 

[NightwingDayZero]

Oh shit, you know a thread is going places when somebody explains the definition of zoning to m2dave.

When you want to declare footsie tools specifically "offensive options" someone is going to take issue with it.

My point is the best characters in the game cater to very defensive and turtled up play styles.

I'm not mocking Dave, I'm just citing the definition that taught me specifically what it meant.

 

[BenGmanUk]

The problem as I see it seems to be that the developers thought it would be cool to give each character something very strong, so strong in fact that it rendered the rest of their game almost obsolete. What's left is most characters have maybe two useful strings, or one in some cases coupled with some OP specials and it becomes clear very quickly how to best play a character.

One of the things I love about fighting games, is seeing individual styles rise up from different areas of the world and then eventually coming together at some place like Evo. This may still happen with Injustice but it does seem like each top character has a very specific way in which they should be played, which in turn makes it boring to watch.

It's early days and I'm sure there will be some OMG moments about some random Catwoman player from Bolivia. At least I hope so.

 

[webreg]

I play DOTA2 and LoL. More so than I play fighting games. I used to spend roughly two to three hours a day playing them for one year. Doesn't mean I'm good at it, just means I know the scene and games quite well. Now, in order to win such tournaments and earn this amount of money as was listed in this thread previously you have to train at least 8 hours a day with a team of five people. You are indeed a sports team and living together with your team for extended periods of time (practice camp) is mandatory. This will be your job. If you think Injustice is boring then good luck playing a MOBA as your day job. Oh and did I mention that 2/3 of the price money goes to your expenses such as housing, management and investors? You get a low to medium salary and a small percentage of your winnings. Yeah, you are on television and you will have fans. Hopefully because otherwise you would probably kill yourself.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

How many times has this been said? I totally agree with Perfect Legend. Anyone remember when Rico Suave and Tom Brady were playing and were trading lighting bolts and trident spikes from full screen for like five minutes? Get hype guys! Here's to hoping Mk10 is more like Mk9.

 

[sgZick]

I think this is a perception issue, depending on where you stand. When I recall the last tournament streams I watched I would not say that zoning overshadows other playstyles. As mentioned, zoning is one way of playing and some chars are better at it then others. That is how it should be.

However when the game was fresh, and I am talking about the first 2-3 weeks zoning definitely was the dominating aspect of online play. It was perceived as being the easy way to win and always an uphill battle for the char trying to close in. The majority of players got better and are able to deal with it better and the worst offenders have been struck down by the nerf-bat. But it feels like this opening-weeks sentiment is still part of a lot of current balance and playstyle discussions, despite it actually becoming less and less of an issue during actual gameplay. The 4 out of 5 DLC characters have a strong anti zoning game (Zatanna will propably join their ranks), so the game.

If we are talking about what makes it boring, its the dominant characters and the dominant tools the characters have and are conditioned (because it is successful) to use. The balance between playstyles that Tom Brady mentioned is actually pretty good in current Injustice and should not be shifted in any direction towards or away from zoning.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

like i give a fuck if it's boring to watch or not. golf is more boring than injustice and it still gets max cpm.

 

[Squizz]

I have never seen a community take what is meant to be a fun addition to a small cache of Fighting Games and turn it into such a piece of shit cancer used only to argue amongst themselves and destroy NR reputation. Injustice: Unfriendlies Amongst Us

 

[Hellbringer]

I have never seen a community take what is meant to be a fun addition to a small cache of Fighting Games and turn it into such a piece of shit cancer used only to argue amongst themselves and destroy NR reputation. Injustice: Unfriendlies Amongst Us

Lol what