Balance Suggestions: Perfect Legend, M2Dave, Forever King, THTB and PLAYING TO W1N

[PLAYING TO WIN]

I wish more people would go on record saying when it comes to the overall metagame they still don't know shit. I know I can freely admit it, why can't others? Game still isn't fully developed yet

I wish more people would go on record saying when it comes to the overall metagame they still don't know shit. I know I can freely admit it, why can't others? Game still isn't fully developed yet

I said this numerous times. Why all the hate. They are suggestions. This is mostly about buffs. Minimal nerfs. The game needs time to evolve. I agree. But nrs gives us a balance everyweek. Just throwing only suggestions. Wish u would message me or something rather than trying to put me on blast. #max cpm?

 

[Breakin Wordzz]

Lol making ares 22 not whiff is pointless unless you make EVERY SINGLE other mid in that game actually hit mid. Why only do that to one character? Zod can currently duck an overhead?????????? why isnt that in this? batgirl has NO WAKE up option at all. Put that for batgirl. Having the overhead cartwheel actually hit people like zod.

 

[Geoduck]

a safe b 12 is all u need with the boulder buff

B12 doesn't need to be safe considering it's safe already. What b12 does need is to have the 2 hit mid for it to have a use outside of combos.

 

[BookOfTheBlack]

about sinestro rock, sure i think it should have a little less recovery. Before the game came out it was kind of spammable (you could use it point blank in hopes of a trade), but now the recovery has been nerfed where it gets punished by everything.

also b13 got nerfed a lot before release with sinestro, which was his main footsie tool (it was too spammable.) I wanted to see the recovery reduced so that he's not at advantage. they straight up made it unsafe.

I will never play a Sinestro that could trade with boulders at close range
I will never play a Sinestro that had a safe B13

Can we just patch "Tester Version" into the game as an optional mode? Seems more hype.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

B12 doesn't need to be safe considering it's safe already. What b12 does need is to have the 2 hit mid for it to have a use outside of combos.

And that is exactly what i said. Thanks for repeating it

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

I will never play a Sinestro that could trade with boulders at close range
I will never play a Sinestro that had a safe B13

Can we just patch "Tester Version" into the game as an optional mode? Seems more hype.

Who said we wanted a safe b13 launcher. Besides. U know thats what black adam has right?

 

[RIF]

B12 doesn't need to be safe considering it's safe already. What b12 does need is to have the 2 hit mid for it to have a use outside of combos.

^

Bill Cipher. The man.

Sinestro should have a safe poking tool. He doesn't. B12 needs to hit mid.

- Trait to last after clashes, supers, and transitions
- Trajectory of his FB to angle downward more as he casts it. Too many characters can duck under it far too easily at 1/2 screen away. It's already negative on block.
- Boulder should be less negative.
- D2's hitbox could be slightly improved at the tip.

 

[BlackBryan]

Shazam literally needs one frame in his trait. It can already be used mid combo, in the corner. That one frame will just make it viable. A mb tele w/ invincibility or, at the very least, more invincibility on start up and he's golden.

Littler known glitch about zod. If you summon wraith, and then immediately clash within the 1st available frame, zod will freeze. Similar to @Revolvers iaf glitch with kitana.

 

[ForeverKing]

itd be like buffing batman cause aquaman shuts him down

I think that's a good idea

 

[Sabin]

I said this numerous times. Why all the hate. They are suggestions. This is mostly about buffs. Minimal nerfs. The game needs time to evolve. I agree. But nrs gives us a balance everyweek. Just throwing only suggestions. Wish u would message me or something rather than trying to put me on blast. #max cpm?

Nah I'm not trying to put you on blast, or even this list on blast. But I'm just saying time and time again there's always kneejerk reactions to stuff and then the wrong things get nerfed. Look what happened with MK9 when Kabal/Cyrax etc were the problem in the end, lol. And the crazy overnerfing of scorp in less than a few weeks. It takes a while to develop a matchup chart. I'm just saying, while there are legit gripes with this game for sure (I think anyone would have trouble finding at least 1 thing they didnt agree with on the list,) as a whole we've got so much more to learn. Game has evolved a lot since release.

 

[SilverKeyMan]

Rather than NERF the shit out of the entire cast, how about we ask for glitches and inconsistencies be fixed, then wait to see how that rebalanced the game?

-SKM (hangs head at our "community leaders" crying the loudest)

 

[Perfect Legend]

I just want things fixed that should be fixed.

DS's trait is useless cause its too slow.
Jokers trait needs more active frames.
Shazams teleport should go into invincibility faster
Flash Speed dodge same thing
etc
Lex df1 and db1 should be faster

 

[Hiltzy85]

Although it has nothing to do with game balance, I think everybody can agree that the game would be better to play if all the data in-game in the move lists was actually correct. no more shit with -184 frames of recovery. No more Flash speed dodge having "zero frame start up" and not actually being active for about 10 frames.

I understand that it'd be tedious, but this is why game companies pay people to edit shit like this. There's no good reason for the game to have dozens of typos and wrong information. It's great that shit like frame data is included, but it needs to be 100% correct or not in the game.

Sure, I would like it if Speed dodge was active on frame 1, but if it isn't, I'd at least like to know what frame it IS active on.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

Nah I'm not trying to put you on blast, or even this list on blast. But I'm just saying time and time again there's always kneejerk reactions to stuff and then the wrong things get nerfed. Look what happened with MK9 when Kabal/Cyrax etc were the problem in the end, lol. And the crazy overnerfing of scorp in less than a few weeks. It takes a while to develop a matchup chart. I'm just saying, while there are legit gripes with this game for sure (I think anyone would have trouble finding at least 1 thing they didnt agree with on the list,) as a whole we've got so much more to learn. Game has evolved a lot since release.

Agree with u 100%. In your opinion, are there things on this list you feel are illogical? I have the mentality to buff the weaker characters and leave top characters alone for the most part. The game is extremely young and there are a lot of things that have not come to the surface or extremely good characters that not had proper representation yet.

In trying to think of balance in terms of tournament play, casual gamers et cetera. I really like this game. In the end its Paulos game and he makes the call. See u at summer jam.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Giving Lobo's trait two shots instead of one is cool and would no doubt help him, but making the hitbox of his dash better will only do minor things for him.

I have a personal pet peeve when players give their buff suggestions for a character they don't really play, that doesn't just apply to Lobo, any character.

Also, giving Bane those buffs with his venom would make him absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Deyrax]

The ones who people cry about will get hit the most. Seems the way of NRS. That way scrubs destroyed Kano in MK9 while leaving that scarred piece of shit untouched. So get your bums ready.

 

[Solid]

Superman's standing 3 and heat zap go mostly unscaled in his corner combos. Those two moves are what gives him his massive damage and it would be cool if they scaled the damage some more. I don't agree with the rest of the nerfs suggested. He has shit damage mid screen without using meter plus trait and as Tj Casters stated his other strings are ass. They could reduce the range of his F23 a bit or increase the start up. It will still be his most used and effective string. I really hope the don't ruin him.

 

[Duck Nation]

This should not be front-paged.

 

[Red Reaper]

Superman's standing 3 and heat zap go mostly unscaled in his corner combos. Those two moves are what gives him his massive damage and it would be cool if they scaled the damage some more. I don't agree with the rest of the nerfs suggested. He has shit damage mid screen without using meter plus trait and as Tj Casters stated his other strings are ass. They could reduce the range of his F23 a bit or increase the start up. It will still be his most used and effective string. I really hope the don't ruin him.

44% is shit damage? Poor Supes.

 

[MkFinest]

THTB is the only name in the title i will actually like to hear about balance suggestions. The rest Nope

 

[TakeAChance]

That's too much downplaying.

I guess until CD goes to anorher tourney NW will be under everyone's radar.

Where did I downplay?

Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Batgirl, Black Adam, The Flash, Wonder Woman, Hawkgirl, Sinestro, Cyborg, Zod, Grundy are all even or worse matchups for nightwing.

That's 12 matchups.

How is that downplaying? lol

If we are talking tier list...

Where would you squeeze nightwing in with these characters?

INPO

Superman
Batman
Green Lantern
Aquaman
Batgirl
Black Adam
The Flash
Wonder Woman
Zod
Martian Manhunter.

If you wanted to substititute any on this list, then you would put him on the VERY tail end. If at all top 10.

 

[jozuvloke]

You guys put some good stuff here! Key word some!
Even tho at times I use death stroke he needs no More speed on any of those fuckin gunshots.
if you take frames from sups breath he might b useless...
dd needs a faster dash and slightly better dwn 1... his trait! Whatever, but any high hitting combos should be mids...
Batman needs no help! He has the best pressure, cross ups and ridiculous mix ups! Scorpion is all fucked up now! Can you fix that ji3 to not wiff on cross up! Also that fuckin 2 up 3 is completely a horrid wiffer in pressure! It's so hard with so many characters tho man! I'd hate to b in charge of balance of this game!

 

[jozuvloke]

Does anyone else feel that both lobos and shazams grabs are much harder to land in combo then banes! Please help them!

 

[Wild Card]

I agree that Joker needs a buff to trait again.

However I feel that his core mechanics need a fix in the next patch, not his trait. His trait alone already took two patches, i'm sure it's time for Joker to recieve help in a different area. (also those patches were "fixes" imo, not buffs) It would be a complete waste to only buff his trait at this point of the game. Trait fixes will have to wait, there is a bigger priority for Joker.

If this was explained earlier in this thread then i'm sorry for beating a dead horse, cant be bothered to read every single post atm.




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[Solid]

44% is shit damage? Poor Supes.

Please read what I post. Without trait plus meter. Please give me a mid screen combo which is trait less and meter less and that does 44%