Balance Suggestions: Perfect Legend, M2Dave, Forever King, THTB and PLAYING TO W1N

[A F0xy Grampa]

if foxy doesn't say it then it must be wrong. extremely scrubish to suggest all of us have no clue about this character.

Extremely 'scrubish' to think that her + frames from lasso grab on block actually mean anything.
Read what PL said, he wrote that her lasso grab knockdown denies wakeups?
It doesnt.

I already know FK doesn't know enough about WW from experience, THTB is the only one with a reasonable understanding IMO.

Still, you guys clearly don't have a clue about WW, if the OTG is what you're complaining about lol

 

[TheCanadian]

Killer Frost needs more recovery on slide immediately.

Black Adam doesn't need to be hit that much, but I agree with the lightning meter gain. Otherwise, he's been normalized well and his combos don't do all that much damage comparatively.

I despise Scorpion, but if he's going to be here, he needs to be usable. Really small dmg boost and some adjustments to his specials to make them slightly more safe again.

Some of Grundy's armor needs to be taken away. Played properly, it's impossible to keep him out.

Normalize Bane's trait, slightly less damage and definitely less penalties with Venom down.

Lex needs quicker start up on pod lasers and leave mine alone, but it should stay active longer. Otherwise I think he's fine.

Love the Superman suggestions across the board. Don't decrease damage, but increase scaling and eye zap recovery. F2,3 need a reduction in range and ability to hit aerial opponents. Slight increase to breath recovery is needed as well. He'll still be top tier easy.

I think Shazam's command throws should do a bit more damage, but that could be rectified with the ability to cancel into his trait. I mean, they do rely on meter to be remotely effective anyway. His teleport should have more invincibility on startup as well.

I think Sinestro's back 1,3 is fine, but the fixes to meteor are sorely needed. Maybe a little less scaling? He's pretty balanced IMO.

Slight increase to Zod's strings. As it is, he's pretty unsafe. Definitely fix all the glitches asap.

REPLACE ZATANNA WITH ATROCITUS K?!

 

[Cat]

PL wants flash buffs? lol i wish hopefully those buffs are finalized before SJ. if the flash gets those buffs PL listed not even MUFFIN MUGGERS will be able to downplay him. i do think his speed dodge needs a buff doe. PLAYING TO W1N do you realize that flash only has access to those 1337 combos every 20 seconds? and that during the "2nd round clash and supers reset the recovery timer down to 0? nerfing his damage would be unbelievably stupid, unless you make it so its every 15 seconds or 10 seconds, pick your poison. in some MU its extremely hard to even get in on a GOOD player, getting in on supes, GL, batman, isn't easy so now he has reduced damage? think that one through for a bit. i am against nerfing rushdown only characters because guess what? we all have universal MB armor moves, push block and invincible backdashes, what do we all have against zoning? yeah..... think that through a bit.

Lol more flash buffs?
Its not like hes gotten some every patch

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[Zyphox]

Lol more flash buffs?
Its not like hes gotten some every patch

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no nerfs just buffs #GruffBundy

 

[Cat]

no nerfs just buffs #GruffBundy

In that case buff Adams low electric mine projectile (no clue whats it called)

That thing is too slow to be used. Needa to be viable for set ups.

R u on live or psn? Add me. I need flash exp

Gt. Cat713
Psn. Kh-cat

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[gridman]

-4 breath really? what a terrible suggestion

 

[Jeffreys]

The only change required of Black Adam is to be removed from the game.

 

[Zyphox]

In that case buff Adams low electric mine projectile (no clue whats it called)

That thing is too slow to be used. Needa to be viable for set ups.

R u on live or psn? Add me. I need flash exp

Gt. Cat713
Psn. Kh-cat

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iight but i wont be on until after SJ, i'll be in nyc all week until SJ. also scar is hella good with flash

 

[Chuckychuck]

bane needs a protein bar projectile

 

[KH StarCharger]

So I see that people are still willing to keep scrubby killer scrub's to only -4 when she has a standing vortex at her disposal eh? And wow ya'll are cool with batgirl being able to just go mindless on people with her stupid sh*t. Ok. The Aquaman and superman changes suggested would be changes I'd be fine with.

 

[Hiltzy85]

You can ruin reversals by holding down 1 when doing df1 for LK.
I'm starting to think I know your character better than you do.

why would anybody do reversals against Flash? All of his strings that actually get used are either positive on block or around zero, and his things that you can actually punish are so negative that you don't need reversal timing to punish them...The only time that holding lightning kick is useful is against players who shamelessly mash d1 after everything.

You can also really only do this (hold LK) after b22 and b22f3 because his other strings don't give enough cancel advantage on block. d1d2 LK (hold) can be beat out by 6f stuff unless you basically don't hold it at all (and why would anybody be mashing reversals against Flash?), and f21 LK hold doesn't work if they crouch after blocking f2 because f2(1) whiffs on all crouching characters in the game except for like Bane, Doomsday, Lex and sometime Grundy. F21 on crouch block is easily punishable and the gap in f213 is large enough that most characters easily poke out into a combo.

 

[The Gabriel]

"balance suggestions for characters we know nothing about"

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Gruff Bundy:

He does well vs majority of cast but has 5 or 6 MU that start at 3-7 and go backwards to 9-1 or 10-0. These characters make the presence of Grundy at tournaments extremely rare. (Exception Tyrant) Granted Tyrants success, that is a testament to his skill but the reality is, these are among some of the worst MU in the game.

Superman, Hawkgirl, cyborg, WW, Black adam, and Batman

I'm not saying I save a solution but I want to make aware that this powerhouse has an achilles heal that needs to be looked at.

This is pretty much my one biggest gripe as well since I went Grundy.
Although given his design, I can't for the life of me think of a sane, unbroken way to rationalize it.

 

[Cat]

Also for Joker

His mids should connect on block on every char. His best strings 21 and 212 whiff on a ton of the cast.

Obviously the players suggesting his trait be buff don't play him..
Trait is a loss cause

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[Lord Hollow]

Lobo: Decrease the start up on Hook Charge to maybe two frames longer than whatever his wake up invulnerable frames are. That will do two things for him.
1. Allow him to meter burn it faster, enabling the armor faster to blow through projectiles and close distance.
2. Give him a viable wake up option that cannot be armor b+3ed by the opponent, forcing them to respect his wake up game up close, as he should be.
Lower the hurt box on his dash to legitimately go under high projectiles
Fix the hitbox on his chain when performing Skull Rider (2,1) So the chain makes contact with the opponent consistently.
Decrease the recovery on Party Crasher when it whiffs, so it can be better utilized as another way to close the distance.

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

I agree with everything for shazam. The only thing I would add is to make his other strings useful.As, a Deathstroke player this might be blasphemous but I've gotten used to the way he is now.He's still a good character and the only reason he probably isnt top 10 anymore is because of the shitload of anti zoners and teleporters in the game now because apparently thats the only way to get by deathstrokes zoning post-patch

 

[Axel_Redd]

Desthstroke MB rifle needs to be safer....much safer for being a meterburn move.


also, batman is fine as he is and doesnt need a nerf as he's already been nerfed enough and his wakeup game is shit, without his trait, his pressure is only ok at best. His trait MAKES him.

 

[Sabin]

I absolutely can't agree with that. I don't think I've ever heard a GL player claim he loses anything badly enough to need a sub.

I certainly never want to pick GL in any Raven/Cyborg/Sinestro (though this is winnable without Sinestro having trait)/Superman match (b/c of damage output) matchup.
Why nerf trait btw? Why allow gl minigun to be pushblocked? It doesnt even do 2% on chip when you meter burn it...this aint aquaman trident rush lol

about sinestro rock, sure i think it should have a little less recovery. Before the game came out it was kind of spammable (you could use it point blank in hopes of a trade), but now the recovery has been nerfed where it gets punished by everything.

also b13 got nerfed a lot before release with sinestro, which was his main footsie tool (it was too spammable.) I wanted to see the recovery reduced so that he's not at advantage. they straight up made it unsafe.

 

[Hellbringer]

Tom's ego is more like... "I am a terrible player, why do I even have this game."

Tom /wrists

Da only thang he gets from dis is empathy props. But if thats what he wants, phat fo' his ass i guess.

 

[Jack White]

Can we cool it with The Joker's parry buffs and focus on his actual problems as a character?

-His gas tank projectiles are horrendously slow.
-He has NO meterless damage.
-He has no damaging mix ups. 11% is the most he's getting off an overhead or low that isn't 32 frames.
-Teeth mix ups can be completely invalidated by back dashes at mid screen and certain wake up attacks in the corner (like Flash's).
-His best "mid" combos aren't actual mids and can all be ducked and punished.
-He has no movement options and his only space control tool that isn't slow is his gun which can actually be avoided by any move that lowers your hit box even a little. This includes many dashes (even GRUNDY'S), Batman's batarang attack, and even standing normals.

The Joker needs help but his trait is the least of his problems. Let's stop focusing on it for now since it's already been buffed twice.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

"Unbiased" all I see is nerf to everyone but the mains of those who made this. and a small amount of low-tier characters to make it seem "unbiased". And I'm a DS main so it's not like I wouldn't benefit. But still.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Still, you guys clearly don't have a clue about WW, if the OTG is what you're complaining about lol

No matter how many times I or you or others try to break down the greatness that is WW (I think MITDJT is picking her up, I hope he shows (in the states) how truly stupid she is). I'm convinced she's the best char in the game for the last 2 months and just like MK9, the wrong chars will continue to be nerfed (raiden/reptile/kl were never the problem, but people always slept on kabal. This is no different for WW. Sad to watch the same car wreck twice

 

[Qwark28]

This is why you actually get people who know the game to make these suggestions

 

[SZSR]

I quoted your post, but forgot to tag the people I was really addressing. It was 1am after a long day, my apologies.

No worries.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

This is why you actually get people who know the game to make these suggestions

People still don't know the game though...this is the main problem.

The people who made this thread don't even know any better than myself or you what's what. This is why you don't balance a game but once every 6 months