Injustice changes you'd like to see for the current build..

[Doombawkz]

Everyone thinks Bane needs a dash cancel for his charge. That's stupid.

Give him a pelvic thrust air dash.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Obviously you've never tried to land these goofy inputs with any of the 3 characters that have them. 50% of the time they seem to misfire into something you don't want.

I've never had a problem with those inputs, I use stick though, not sure if they are harder on Pad.

 

[Chongo]

Obviously you've never tried to land these goofy inputs with any of the 3 characters that have them. 50% of the time they seem to misfire into something you don't want.

Dude, it's really not that hard at all. I don't even play Shazam or Lobo, but I can land the grabs easy.

 

[zuurrkk]

Yeah sure let's fucking destroy every character in this game because why not?

destroy every character in this game *except for grundy* because he's SO BAD.

seriously what's up with some of these grundy downplayers that want all of these dumb buffs? 70%+ combos and brainless armor on everything you do isn't cutting it for you? lol yeah he NEEDS more frame advantage and health buffs AND more armor. let's give him a dive kick and an air dash because he loses to zoning and he needs it right?

 

[Grave__Intent]

I've never had a problem with those inputs, I use stick though, not sure if they are harder on Pad.

OK SOoo..would you be opposed if the inputs were easier for everyone? It just makes sense to actually make the characters more playable in that respect. Remember just because we are diehard FGC players doesn't mean NRSs customer base is all us. If more people pick up the game and can play it easier with a simple fix, then A. The FGC grows and B. We have more people to play with, and C. NRS makes more money to give us more content.

 

[Eagle Eye]

WoW! you can't read..Awesome job public school systems NOT! NO! I said starts with her trait bar full, instead of having to build it up. Otherwise she only gets to use it maybe 2-3 times in a match.

Also, a +18 on Block ANYTHING is ridicules! Get real!

i hope you know that lasso grab is a high. you can duck then dash in

 

[Jimmypotato]

OK SOoo..would you be opposed if the inputs were easier for everyone? It just makes sense to actually make the characters more playable in that respect. Remember just because we are diehard FGC players doesn't mean NRSs customer base is all us. If more people pick up the game and can play it easier with a simple fix, then A. The FGC grows and B. We have more people to play with, and C. NRS makes more money to give us more content.

DBF is a pretty fuckin easy input man,

if it was something like DP(dragonpunchinput)HalfCirclebackHalfcircleforwardQuarterCircleForward for supers or something like some games, then I would say its not accessible to new players.

 

[Grave__Intent]

destroy every character in this game *except for grundy* because he's SO BAD.

seriously what's up with some of these grundy downplayers that want all of these dumb buffs? 70%+ combos and brainless armor on everything you do isn't cutting it for you? lol yeah he NEEDS more frame advantage and health buffs AND more armor. let's give him a dive kick and an air dash because he loses to zoning and he needs it right?

Man, Grundy is a beast when he gets close to you, BUT, he has SO many bad match-ups it's unreal. Also, the reason I sugested his minor trait change is becasue it dose NOTHING besides damage atm. In it's description it is supposed to grant him more health and dosen't.

 

[zuurrkk]

Man, Grundy is a beast when he gets close to you, BUT, he has SO many bad match-ups it's unreal. Also, the reason I sugested his minor trait change is becasue it dose NOTHING besides damage atm. In it's description it is supposed to grant him more health and dosen't.

my heart goes out to your poor character

 

[Jimmypotato]

Also, a +18 on Block ANYTHING is ridicules! Get real!

How come your Nightwing nerf suggestions don't address this then??

Lets get Real here

 

[G4S Killin Natzees]

destroy every character in this game *except for grundy* because he's SO BAD.

seriously what's up with some of these grundy downplayers that want all of these dumb buffs? 70%+ combos and brainless armor on everything you do isn't cutting it for you? lol yeah he NEEDS more frame advantage and health buffs AND more armor. let's give him a dive kick and an air dash because he loses to zoning and he needs it right?

You'd think this was their first fighting game or something. Jesus. Seriously, 18 second cooldown on black Adam and Aquaman trait? It's about the same as getting two traits per game.
At the same time Grundy can kill you with one button.
Yeah let's trust the guy who can't do DBF specials to balance this.

 

[Grave__Intent]

i hope you know that lasso grab is a high. you can duck then dash in

Honestly I took that info from ForeverKing. Sorry, I was trying to relay what he posted.

 

[4x4lo8o]

Ahh...see I took that info from ForeverKing and thought it was just enough of a gap to be an easy fix.

You'd probably have to add 15 frames of cancel advantage to get rid of the gap, and I don't know what the other effects of that would be. It might make d1~GS link on hit or inescapable on block.

Speaking of that though, they should actually add a couple frames of cancel advantage to d1 because right now some characters can d1 between d1~GS and still have time to jump out.

 

[zuurrkk]

You'd think this was their first fighting game or something. Jesus. Seriously, 18 second cooldown on black Adam and Aquaman trait? It's about the same as getting two traits per game.
At the same time Grundy can kill you with one button.
Yeah let's trust the guy who can't do DBF specials to balance this.

don't forget 180f-300f STARTUP on kf trait because that thing is just TOO good it needs to be in slow motion so you get a guaranteed combo

 

[Grave__Intent]

You'd think this was their first fighting game or something. Jesus. Seriously, 18 second cooldown on black Adam and Aquaman trait? It's about the same as getting two traits per game.
At the same time Grundy can kill you with one button.
Yeah let's trust the guy who can't do DBF specials to balance this.

Do you know how much work Grundy has to put in and damage he takes to close enough to do this to over half the cast. There are times your on your 2nd life bar already before you can pull that kind of combo off. Most players are already wise to Grundy they run from him and play keep away. As much as I love the character he still needs a few tweeks.

 

[G4S Killin Natzees]

don't forget 180f-300f STARTUP on kf trait because that thing is just TOO good it needs to be in slow motion so you get a guaranteed combo

Lol, just looking at these suggestions makes me question what this guy actually even knows about this game before shouting nonsense for nerfs

 

[zuurrkk]

Do you know how much work Grundy has to put in and damage he takes to close enough to do this to over half the cast. There are times your on your 2nd life bar already before you can pull that kind of combo off. Most players are already wise to Grundy they run from him and play keep away. As much as I love the character he still needs a few tweeks.

except he doesn't.

 

[Grave__Intent]

You'd probably have to add 15 frames of cancel advantage to get rid of the gap, and I don't know what the other effects of that would be. It might make d1~GS link on hit or inescapable on block.

Speaking of that though, they should actually add a couple frames of cancel advantage to d1 because right now some characters can d1 between d1~GS and still have time to jump out.

Ahh..ok cool that was good to know. Thanx

 

[Cage Redfield]

So, let me try to grasp what you want fixed for Lobo:

the Czar Toss input should be DB. B2U1 should have -4 to -6 startup frames reduced. Bounce height from Czar Toss should be higher so he could get a B3 from it easier. 113 xx Space Hook link should be easier.

Czar Toss's input is not impossible or makes Lobo "unplayable". This is by no means a buff.


B2U1 being faster is something I agree with, but it's such a minor buff for Lobo at this point. He needs much more than this.

Czar Toss MB to Back 3 is doable online. ONLINE. INJUSTICE ONLINE. This game may be an NRS game, where every combo is handed to you on a silver platter in terms of execution, but this is so unnecessary. If you want to play Lobo, then grind this out. This and 21 xx traited Low Shot, B1 xx Czar Toss are worth the grinding.

Space Hook is literally Combo filler. Making it link off 113 easier would do next to nothing when he can combo into it easily already.

I'll tell you what's wrong with Lobo: He has no reversals. Party Crasher, when done instantly in the air, loses to d1's and d3's. You can Clash Hook Charge on it's own. You can be punished with Superman's super for doing Party Crasher in a juggle. 21 sometimes whiffs in front of the opponent. 12 has a pitiful hitbox. There's next to no reason to actually use Pump Shots. These are the issues acknowledged by the Lobo players. Fixing these supremely minor things about the character that you listed would do nothing at all to help him. You didn't even list a way to fix his trait, like make his trait shots break armor or stack more than one shell.

I won't even touch on the other suggestions you listed.

 

[Grave__Intent]

So, let me try to grasp what you want fixed for Lobo:

the Czar Toss input should be DB. B2U1 should have -4 to -6 startup frames reduced. Bounce height from Czar Toss should be higher so he could get a B3 from it easier. 113 xx Space Hook link should be easier.

Czar Toss's input is not impossible or makes Lobo "unplayable". This is by no means a buff.


B2U1 being faster is something I agree with, but it's such a minor buff for Lobo at this point. He needs much more than this.

Czar Toss MB to Back 3 is doable online. ONLINE. INJUSTICE ONLINE. This game may be an NRS game, where every combo is handed to you on a silver platter in terms of execution, but this is so unnecessary. If you want to play Lobo, then grind this out. This and 21 xx traited Low Shot, B1 xx Czar Toss are worth the grinding.

Space Hook is literally Combo filler. Making it link off 113 easier would do next to nothing when he can combo into it easily already.

I'll tell you what's wrong with Lobo: He has no reversals. Party Crasher, when done instantly in the air, loses to d1's and d3's. You can Clash Hook Charge on it's own. You can be punished with Superman's super for doing Party Crasher in a juggle. 21 sometimes whiffs in front of the opponent. 12 has a pitiful hitbox. There's next to no reason to actually use Pump Shots. These are the issues acknowledged by the Lobo players. Fixing these supremely minor things about the character that you listed would do nothing at all to help him. You didn't even list a way to fix his trait, like make his trait shots break armor or stack more than one shell.

I won't even touch on the other suggestions you listed.

Well, I tried to start somewhere with a fix for him, and I agree Party Crasher on hit should have fewer recovery frames. The ONE thing I like about it with him is the ability to change direction in mid jump, from back to forward with his Dive Punch, but even that isn't safe.
I didn't realize you can clash the Hook Charge as a single move on 2nd health bar..that SUX.
Thanx for the suggestions.

 

[Grave__Intent]

DBF is a pretty fuckin easy input man,

if it was something like DP(dragonpunchinput)HalfCirclebackHalfcircleforwardQuarterCircleForward for supers or something like some games, then I would say its not accessible to new players.

Is your hand tired yet of patting yourself on the back and saying you can do the input?

 

[Spinky]

This... this thread is...

*RETCHES*

 

[zuurrkk]

Is your hand tired yet of patting yourself on the back and saying you can do the input?

god forbid you have to practice execution in a fighting game. this thread is ass

 

[G4S Killin Natzees]

Do you know how much work Grundy has to put in and damage he takes to close enough to do this to over half the cast. There are times your on your 2nd life bar already before you can pull that kind of combo off. Most players are already wise to Grundy they run from him and play keep away. As much as I love the character he still needs a few tweeks.

Do you know how much fucking damage Grundy does when he touches you? I'm sorry he doesn't have a button that puts him right in front of the other player. If Tyrant can turn some of the best superman players into his bitch you shouldn't have any problem overcoming bad matchups against mediocre online warriors.

God forbid you have to sacrifice some damage getting in and spend 2 bars to take a life bar.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Is your hand tired yet of patting yourself on the back and saying you can do the input?

lol nope, just think it's funny that you can't