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STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
NKZero said:
Oh wow I didn't know that I thought buzz saw was -10 or something.

But the buzz saw problem is more an issue in the neutral game because you can't iaTU and also causes problems on wake-up since you'll whiff a TU while his hit-box moves forwards. He may be able to punish I don't know but he gets NDC pressure at the very least.

I've always claimed it was 4-6 but I'm leaning towards 3-7 or somewhere in between.
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Yeah Somberness got it wrong and it turned out it's actually like -14 lol. Not that I'm putting him on blast because I'd imagine it's a massive headache trying to measure properties frame by frame with how inconsistent MK9's blockstun is.

I think Sektor actually recovers slightly faster from iaTU (when done as instantly as possible) faster than Buzzsaw's active but I haven't played the matchup in forever so I don't remember. Either way he doesn't really get anything from it which is the fundamental problem and you'll inherently block anyway.#whydoesnttheukhaveakabalicanplayagainstoffline
 
HGTV Soapboxfan

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
xKhaoTik said:
Again, no. Just stop because you don't know what you're saying.

Mileena: who cares if kitana can't zone. I HATE when people think kitana loses a match because she can't throw fans. That's dumb. She has numerous winning MUs in which she can't throw fans, and this just happens to be one of them. Mileena's d4 is just a nuisance, that's it. She doesn't even get anything from it on hit. Its +12 but all she can get is some whack pressure with 42. Its nothing like Sonya's d4 or smokes d4 where they get In for free and get mixups. Mileena's d4 is just a poke away tool, and even then, kitana has tools to blow up the d4. Kitana dominates her upclose with her footsies, speed and range. Mileena is also a very risky character and she has to take risks to get her damage, and kitana loves that. One mistake and mileena loses half her health. On top of that, what is mileena doing to kitana when kit has the life lead? The only advantage mileena has is the air game. Kitana has a superior air game, but mileena beats her at that. The ground game, punishment game, footsies game, etc, all in kitana favor.

Liu Kang: again, this is another mu that kitana gets outzone in, but doesn't lose. She can actually trade with the zoning in this MU with ground fans and liu kang has to respect that. On top of that, his zoning isn't even scary. Just jump or duck. Upclose, its all a footsies battle. Liu Kang beats her with the speed, but she beats him with the range and damage. This is definitely an even MU.

Reptile: I was the only person on the planet who thought this MU was even, and I still do. Other reptile players, and even kitana players were starting to think so as well. KItana has to fear spit more than forceball IMO. Ground fans throw off his forceball crap, and forces him to come in. Reptile definitely wins the zoning battle tho. Upclose, she wins that hands down. Once people stop playing so aggressive against him and play more defensive, they would see that reptile isn't scary at all. I Love when reps to d4-acid because it puts him in a sweet spot where kitana and punish anything he does. If he jumps, AA. If he dashes, loses 50%. If he d4s, f21. If he does forceball, ex iaAss or ex fan. This mu will forever be even IMO.
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I love your mention of d4 acid hand. Kit is one of those matches that I hate canceling into acid hand because of this. That fwd21 just fucks everything up. What do you suggest reptiles do instead? This is off topic but I was just thinking about this haha.
 
Deyrax

Deyrax

Skarlet who ?
HGTV Soapboxfan said:
I love your mention of d4 acid hand. Kit is one of those matches that I hate canceling into acid hand because of this. That fwd21 just fucks everything up. What do you suggest reptiles do instead? This is off topic but I was just thinking about this haha.
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D4 Slide. D4 X-ray. Why do I have to teach Reptile players what they should have been doing since day 1 ?
 
Perfect Legend

Perfect Legend

Noob
WoundCowboy said:
Alright, since our community loves lists, MK9 has been out for over two years, and we have never been able to settle on the top 10 characters, I figure that now is the time to decide. Here is my attempt at placing the top 10 characters in the game:
1. Kabal
2. Kenshi
3. Sonya
4. Cyrax
5. Freddy
6. Kung Lao
7. Smoke
8. Jax
9. Kitana
10. Skarlet

Feel free to discuss and critique the list and please post your own.
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No Johnny Cage?
 
CURBOLICOUS

CURBOLICOUS

Cage ban wagon?
WoundCowboy said:
Alright, since our community loves lists, MK9 has been out for over two years, and we have never been able to settle on the top 10 characters, I figure that now is the time to decide. Here is my attempt at placing the top 10 characters in the game:
1. Kabal
2. Kenshi
3. Sonya
4. Cyrax
5. Freddy
6. Kung Lao
7. Smoke
8. Jax
9. Kitana
10. Skarlet

Feel free to discuss and critique the list and please post your own.
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Switch kitana with cage
 
HGTV Soapboxfan

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
Denzell said:
At the highest lvl cage can compete with the whole cast except kenshi. Thats a yolo mu
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i agree he can compete, but it is still bad. That is true though, you just have to put your health on the line and do it. There is footage of me versus reo in some tournament where I shadow kicked him randomly like 5 times in a row and they all hit but the last and then I died lol. But he wouldn't block so had to call him on it otherwise i wouldn't catch him in time since I was down a lot of health and time was low. Should have had him though :(
 
Dizzy

Dizzy

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Premium Supporter
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Everyone's free to make their own opinions, but I do believe he loses to all 5 of the top 5 chars in varying degrees. (The top 5 being Kabal, Kenshi, Cyrax, Sonya, and Freddy).

I know I have said a few times I'd try to get around to it, but I think I may make a final JC MU chart with detailed MU explanations to go with the numbers. It may open up some peoples eyes to why he's so bad/good in certain MUs.

That aside, to contribute to the actual purpose of the thread, I think spots 6-10 are really determined by the MU numbers which I do not know for most of the other chars. I would really bet on Cage being top 10 though, depending on how the MU numbers play out he would likely end up around 8-10, and I can't imagine him being lower than 12.
 
cR WoundCowboy

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
GGA Dizzy said:
Everyone's free to make their own opinions, but I do believe he loses to all 5 of the top 5 chars in varying degrees. (The top 5 being Kabal, Kenshi, Cyrax, Sonya, and Freddy).

I know I have said a few times I'd try to get around to it, but I think I may make a final JC MU chart with detailed MU explanations to go with the numbers. It may open up some peoples eyes to why he's so bad/good in certain MUs.

That aside, to contribute to the actual purpose of the thread, I think spots 6-10 are really determined by the MU numbers which I do not know for most of the other chars. I would really bet on Cage being top 10 though, depending on how the MU numbers play out he would likely end up around 8-10, and I can't imagine him being lower than 12.
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Number 11 on my list :)
 
Dizzy

Dizzy

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Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
WoundCowboy said:
Number 11 on my list :)
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I'd personally put him in the top 10 and remove Jax, and then I would probably completely agree with your list :) But then again, that's assuming Jax having a decent amount of bad MUs and the margin in which he wins his good MUs which is definitely debatable.
 
Posthuman

Posthuman

Where's TJ Combo?
xKhaoTik said:
I didnt say i think it lol. Some people still say its in her favor. I have it as 5-5


And if we went by that logic, then kitana would beat Kabal because bit and I beat every Kabal we play lol
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give me the link where you beat reo please.???
 
FATBOY28SACK

FATBOY28SACK

Noob
Can't wait two more years until superman doesnt make it to top 10 like cage didn't here.
WoundCowboy said:
Alright, since our community loves lists, MK9 has been out for over two years, and we have never been able to settle on the top 10 characters, I figure that now is the time to decide. Here is my attempt at placing the top 10 characters in the game:
1. Kabal
2. Kenshi
3. Sonya
4. Cyrax
5. Freddy
6. Kung Lao
7. Smoke
8. Jax
9. Kitana
10. Skarlet

Feel free to discuss and critique the list and please post your own.
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NKZero

NKZero

Noob
STRYKIE said:
Yeah Somberness got it wrong and it turned out it's actually like -14 lol. Not that I'm putting him on blast because I'd imagine it's a massive headache trying to measure properties frame by frame with how inconsistent MK9's blockstun is.

I think Sektor actually recovers slightly faster from iaTU (when done as instantly as possible) faster than Buzzsaw's active but I haven't played the matchup in forever so I don't remember. Either way he doesn't really get anything from it which is the fundamental problem and you'll inherently block anyway.#whydoesnttheukhaveakabalicanplayagainstoffline
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Ok that's good to know. Thanks.

Also I am the Kabal of the UK. I remember having problems against Temjiin's Reptile with Sub Zero so I went Kabal w/out knowing how to do NDC's lol. Still beat him. A crushing defeat that forever lives in his memory.

On a serious note though we really did need a Kabal player.
 
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