Differentiating the Injustice grapplers

[LOCO]

Many strings have grabs in them, as a matter of fact a lot of characters have strings into command grabs that cannot be blocked.
Bane's d.2xxCG, b.11xxCG, and b.2xxCG, for example. He also has b.1 normal throw which is unblockable and covered by the +12 in front of it.

yes i know
u dont understand what im saying
doomday does not have a command grab
yet he has one string that registers as a grab at the end

im not a scrub dude
i know how the mechanics work thank you

 

[Doombawkz]

u dont understand what im saying
doomday does not have a command grab
yet he has one string that registers as a grab at the end

I'm saying I know he does, he has like 2 of them. What I'm saying is he isn't the only character who has such a thing (Zod, Lobo...) and most characters can do a similar action that also cannot be blocked because of the grabs. Having a grab mid-string is as impressive or note-worthy as any character whom has a command grab since most have the means to cancel into them on block.

In short: Whats your point? He is no more a grappler than anyone with a command grab (Harley, cyborg, frost)? I'd say his grapple game is stronger than Lobo's if you don't count low chain as a grapple on account of his trait...

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Bane is definitely not a grappler. He is a pressure/oki/brawler character that is made to capitalize with his string starters + venom. I agree with Doombawkz that having a command grab does not make you a 'grappler'.

 

[Doombawkz]

Bane is definitely not a grappler. He is a pressure/oki/brawler character that is made to capitalize with his string starters + venom. I agree with Doombawkz that having a command grab does not make you a 'grappler'.

Woah now, never said that. I simply said that he isn't necessarily as "grab centric" as people as people make him out to be.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Woah now, never said that.

Then I misinterpreted what you said. So you think that a character having a command grab makes them a grappler?

 

[Doombawkz]

Then I misinterpreted what you said. So you think that a character having a command grab makes them a grappler?

Never said that either. Frost isn't a grappler but has one. I'm saying the idea of "grappler" should be if your gameplan revolves around those grabs to a point where your damage is sub-par without it. Look at Gief and Shazam, for example. Remove SPD and you've got someone who can do maybe ~300 for 1 bar in an extended situational combo (something most characters can do for free). Add SPD and you have someone who can do 300 in one move if your opponent guesses wrong, and gives you sweet advantage.

With Shazam, remove his grabs and you have someone who can do "ok not great" damage where as if you add it he becomes someone entirely different.

Bane has command grabs and they have huge utility behind them, however he is just as capable of winning by focusing his strategy around d.1 and double punch footsie game as if he did command grabs. He doesn't "need" them to complete his character, but he has them and the tools to use them effectively.

Grapplers revolve around proper use of those grabs to overwhelm the opponent. Bane just uses his armor, and one of those moves happens to be a command grab. This is just imo though.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Never said that either. Frost isn't a grappler but has one. I'm saying the idea of "grappler" should be if your gameplan revolves around those grabs to a point where your damage is sub-par without it. Look at Gief and Grundy, for example. Remove SPD and you've got someone who can do maybe ~300 for 1 bar in an extended situational combo (something most characters can do for free). Add SPD and you have someone who can do 300 in one move if your opponent guesses wrong, and gives you sweet advantage.

That's essentially what I said you said. Merely having a command grab does not automatically make you a grappler.

 

[LOCO]

I'm saying I know he does, he has like 2 of them. What I'm saying is he isn't the only character who has such a thing (Zod, Lobo...) and most characters can do a similar action that also cannot be blocked because of the grabs. Having a grab mid-string is as impressive or note-worthy as any character whom has a command grab since most have the means to cancel into them on block.

In short: Whats your point? He is no more a grappler than anyone with a command grab (Harley, cyborg, frost)? I'd say his grapple game is stronger than Lobo's if you don't count low chain as a grapple on account of his trait...

nothing
i just wanted to waste my time debating with logic

 

[Doombawkz]

Ok then. Yes/

 

[LOCO]

and most characters sont have a string that registers as a grab
they have strings canceled into commqnd grabs
zod does not have one either so bad example

 

[LOCO]

yea
im done/

 

[Red Venom]

lmao WTH happened to this thread lol

 

[Doombawkz]

and most characters sont have a string that registers as a grab
they have strings canceled into commqnd grabs
zod does not have one either so bad example

Zod's is an air-grab, point being they have strings that have grabs in them.

 

[Error]

Doombawkz is an enigma.

 

[Doombawkz]

Doombawkz is an enigma.

That's not true, I mainly play Leshrak.

 

[LOCO]

does it register as a grab on block?
no

all i said was dooms days has a "string" that registers as a grab
if thats to hard to comprehend im sorry

 

[Doombawkz]

does it register as a grab on block?
no

all i said was dooms days has a "string" that registers as a grab
if thats to hard to comprehend im sorry

I never said he didn't, that's not the point of the argument. In fact I acknowledged he had like 2 strings.
I'm saying lots of characters have grabs their strings. People consider "ring toss" a grab when its the exact same thing as Zods.

 

[LOCO]

w

I never said he didn't, that's not the point of the argument. In fact I acknowledged he had like 2 strings.
I'm saying lots of characters have grabs their strings. People consider "ring toss" a grab when its the exact same thing as Zods.

well u c that is my point so your arguing with me because like i said before u didnt understand my original statement

 

[Doombawkz]

w
well u c that is my point so your arguing with me because like i said before u didnt understand my original statement

If that's what you are playing at, you wouldn't have continued discussion after I said he had 2 grab strings. The fact that you are means that you have some other quarrel with my statements.

 

[LOCO]

If that's what you are playing at, you wouldn't have continued discussion after I said he had 2 grab strings. The fact that you are means that you have some other quarrel with my statements.

no i dont
but go head keep thinking that if it makes u feel special

 

[Doombawkz]

no i dont
but go head keep thinking that if it makes u feel special

I could care less, honestly you just provided me a moment's relief from boredom. The novelty wears quick, though.
If you have nothing else, then you can feel free to take upon yourself a moments reflection, silently if possible.

 

[Ravensbaine]

That's not true, I mainly play Leshrak.

I see what you did there >_>

 

[IrishMantis]

lmao WTH happened to this thread lol

I stopped when some1 said Kf, Harley, and DD are grapplers, and now seen Zod, confirms i shouldn't off even came back to post

 

[Red Venom]

lol

 

[Red Venom]

I love Doombawkz' signature lmao