Reasoning Behind OP Characters

[Qwark28]

general m2dave deathstroke is broken

 

[Vagrant]

Stopped reading as soon as I saw Deathstroke...

Lol gtfo of here man...

 

[M2Dave]

general m2dave deathstroke is broken

This web site has been unbearable recently.

There are fools out there who still believe Deathstroke and zoning are broken.

Too many scrubs as tournament players post less and less.

 

[Zyphox]

to answer the op. the reason why there is no balance is because in order to make a game of any kind really balanced would have to make it boring. all the characters would have to be the same, or similar with in the engine. so by default a diverse game will favor a certain playstyle may look considerably more cheap and op due to the level of players playing the game for only 3 months. look at a shooter for example. in order to diversify a weapon from one another they would need to have different rates of fire, range recoil etc. so in diveristy uou end up creating un balance in the game. if everyone just used one weapon or one character in the fighting game would be the only true way to balance a game and show more skill, but thats boring unless done right. it worked for halo 2/3 but it rarely works elsewhere.

 

[SolomonGrundman]

Not much of a community when everyone decides to laugh at the op instead of explaining why he is wrong. Deathstroke isn't op, he's just bullshit in the matchups he wins.

Also a tip to the rest of you, if you guys can't prove the op wrong and all you can say is "he's not op omagawd, noooob", then maybe the op is right and you're incorrect? Afterall, you couldn't prove him wrong.

 

[M2Dave]

Deathstroke isn't op, he's just bullshit in the matchups he wins.

No, he isn't. Deathstroke is one of the most balanced characters in the game. He has to be when NRS "normalized" his best move by 10+ frames.

 

[insomnia_ftw]

Maybe the developers just overestimated peoples' desire to learn.

Beating Deathstroke's guns was a problem that was already solved and covered BEFORE the patch. Now it's even easier.

 

[mutantmagnet]

Is it just me, or is everyone else sick of unfair/cheap/OP characters in games?

Why on Earth would NRS make characters like Deathstroke, Scorpion, and Superman, and NOT think that they are unfair and ruin the game. Aren't the developers of these games supposed to be first and foremost fans and gamers themselves?

It baffles me that this game, and games in general, can have such unbalance to them. These people are being paid good money to make games that fans can appreciate and enjoy playing, yet there are such obvious inbalances that could easily be fixed, yet they go unnoticed by the devlopers.

Developers are nothing but egotistical assholes who could give two shits about the well being of the game they are creating.

/rantover

A decade ago learning about how devs think was limited to gamasutra. Nowadays you can learn the tricks of the trade from shows like Indieverse or Irrational Behavior Podcast.

Extra Credits addressed this complaint of yours in a segment called "Perfect Imbalance".

 

[SolomonGrundman]

No, he isn't. Deathstroke is one of the most balanced characters in the game. He has to be when NRS "normalized" his best move by 10+ frames.

He's balanced but when against someone who has no way to get in, he becomes bullshit or "antifun" for the them.

 

[insomnia_ftw]

Also a tip to the rest of you, if you guys can't prove the op wrong and all you can say is "he's not op omagawd, noooob", then maybe the op is right and you're incorrect? Afterall, you couldn't prove him wrong.

What need is there to prove the op wrong? He could prove himself wrong just by looking through a character forum and learning the matchup.
These people get laughed at because they do not make an effort to learn, and think that QQing to the rest of us is a productive course of action. When I see threads in which people explain that they have a problem with a certain tactic and ask for help, the responses are much more constructive.
Basically they get what they give.

 

[SolomonGrundman]

What need is there to prove the op wrong? He could prove himself wrong just by looking through a character forum and learning the matchup.
These people get laughed at because they do not make an effort to learn, and think that QQing to the rest of us is a productive form of action. When I see threads in which people explain that they have a problem with a certain tactic and ask for help, the responses are much more constructive.
Basically they get what they give.

I understand but it isn't neccesary. A simple, deathstroke is not op +explanation would have answered his post and kept him shut instantly lol. Also, it's just pure logic, if you can't prove the op wrong then he will continue to think he right in his own head.

 

[M2Dave]

He's balanced but when against someone who has no way to get in, he becomes bullshit or "antifun" for the them.

Every character can get in. It just depends what the character can do once he/she does.

 

[SolomonGrundman]

Every character can get in. It just depends what the character can do once he/she does.

Well, I'll use Grundy as an example since it's obviously who I play. When you walking corpse with him, the bullets actually slow down the whole game, it starts to look like flash's trait. When the animations of the shots end, Grundy is still stuck in the slowed down animation because the bullets are still traveling to hit him while Deathstroke can move freely.

Now say I walking corpse cancle. If they keep using the normal rifle, I will get hit every time I cancle. The only way to get in during this matchup is to get a lucky timed mb swamp hands (against low gunshots since it's the only animation that ends fast enough to mb through).

 

[insomnia_ftw]

I understand but it isn't neccesary. A simple, deathstroke is not op +explanation would have answered his post and kept him shut instantly lol. Also, it's just pure logic, if you can't prove the op wrong then he will continue to think he right in his own head.

This is true, but I don't have a section of text to copy/paste about why deathstroke isn't that bad. I'll definitely not make the effort to write a conclusive post for someone who is arrogantly flaunting their ignorance toward the game.
You have to understand that threads/posts like his have been occurring sooooooo much. It's impossible to remain accommodating for them.

 

[M2Dave]

Well, I'll use Grundy as an example since it's obviously who I play. When you walking corpse with him, the bullets actually slow down the whole game, it starts to look like flash's trait. When the animations of the shots end, Grundy is still stuck in the slowed down animation because the bullets are still traveling to hit him while Deathstroke can move freely.

Now say I walking corpse cancle. If they keep using the normal rifle, I will get hit every time I cancle. The only way to get in during this matchup is to get a lucky timed mb swamp hands (against low gunshots since it's the only animation that ends fast enough to mb through).

First of all, rifle does not beat walking corpse. The rifle's full hits only come out on a successful hit. But who the hell uses rifle anyway? The start up and recovery frames are very long.

Second of all, you can get in the traditional way. Block low and forward dash.

It takes one full reset and shield activation for Grundy to win this match. Because Deathstroke will do no chip damage, he will have to take the fight to Grundy.

Master D.'s Grundy was almost going even with my pre-patch Deathstroke.

 

[SolomonGrundman]

First of all, rifle does not beat walking corpse. The rifle's full hits only come out on a successful hit. But who the hell uses rifle anyway? The start up and recovery frames are very long.

Second of all, you can get in the traditional way. Block low and forward dash.

It takes one full reset and shield activation for Grundy to win this match. Because Deathstroke will do no chip damage, he will have to take the fight to Grundy.

Master D.'s Grundy was almost going even with my pre-patch Deathstroke.

Alright, thanks for the tips. I'll try them out later.

 

[gdf]

Maybe the developers just overestimated peoples' desire to learn.

Beating Deathstroke's guns was a problem that was already solved and covered BEFORE the patch. Now it's even easier.

I kinda want to address this, pretty sure for older gamers people either quit or kept playing and learned. No personal drive other than that.

 

[Minh Giang]

lol m2dave and ds salt...

 

[Hellion_96]

Usually people who make posts like these are simply not that good at the game. People who "spam" are the easiest to beat you already know what they are going to do. Go to practice mode and get better.

 

[Deity]

Usually people who make posts like these are simply not that good at the game. People who "spam" are the easiest to beat you already know what they are going to do. Go to practice mode and get better.

^ this, FG's are about exploiting your opponents weakness. If you cant get around something why would they stop doing it?

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

Be nice guys, this is clearly this guys first fighting game. Well, then again, this is testyourmight, nevermind.......

 

[MoldMan]

Lols at deathstroke being OP . Stop reading after that

 

[AeroGrunt]

all someone playing Deathstroke has to do is spam

spam

 

[DownfouralitY]

#best-idea-ever-just-came

if only i had it before evo

lmfao you should totally do this to tom at a tournament

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

No, he isn't. Deathstroke is one of the most balanced characters in the game. He has to be when NRS "normalized" his best move by 10+ frames.

U know Dave

Maybe NRS should now nerf quick shots