Guide MK9 Top 10 of all time

[Insuperable]

Crazy Dominican will always be one of the best fighting game players in the mkc. He invented Kitana and when he was in his prime, he was years ahead of everyone. Top 10 in terms of achievements, probably not. But top 10 player of all time, yes.

 

[16 Bit]

So, when Tom Brady inevitably goes on a rant about how the community does not honor consistency or remember the deeds of previous winners, can I point him directly to this thread as a reminder that it is his fellow friends that stir up this shit?

Honoring consistency and past deeds is what I am doing now.

 

[16 Bit]

Crazy Dominican will always be one of the best fighting game players in the mkc. He invented Kitana and when he was in his prime, he was years ahead of everyone. Top 10 in terms of achievements, probably not. But top 10 player of all time, yes.

I agree.

He's one of the best to never win an EVO medal. I still considered him. His early retirement hurt him. Still a legend though.

 

[TakeAChance]

Honoring consistency and past deeds is what I am doing now.

I am just going to wait for it.

Somehow this will end up being "The communities fault" I guarantee it.

 

[STRYKIE]

Crazy Dominican will always be one of the best fighting game players in the mkc. He invented Kitana and when he was in his prime, he was years ahead of everyone. Top 10 in terms of achievements, probably not. But top 10 player of all time, yes.

CD Prime is one of the biggest reasons Robo Smoke needs to be in UMK9 if it happens. You know him better than I do but I'm sure he wouldn't think twice about going to every major.

 

[Hitbox_Tyrant]

I'm retired from MK sooooo yeah. I get outplayed by cages and sonyas. I shouldn't be top 10.

 

[ForeverKing]

I honestly think Curbo could be the best player in the world as of right this very second. But as far as 10 ten in history probably not

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

FTR FOREVER KING would be on my top 10 hands down

I support king

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

you will forever be known as "the guy who beat the evo champ in a mirror"

Who I later beat

LBSH MITDJT beating his brother in a cyrax mirror was a classic hotel shenanigans moment

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

GGA 16 Bit

Will vxg results play into this topic?

Also I have randomly thought since evo at many random occasions "I bet Malik is waking up his brother Denzel early stomping on the bed talking about how his cyrax beat him after Evo " lol

 

[astronout]

I think Shang is better than Cage. Just my opinion...

based on matchups, tournament results, and character tools, I would have to vehemently disagree.

 

[rev0lver]

based on matchups, tournament results, and character tools, I would have to vehemently disagree.

Quit downplaying son

 

[16 Bit]

GGA 16 Bit

Will vxg results play into this topic?

Also I have randomly thought since evo at many random occasions "I bet Malik is waking up his brother Denzel early stomping on the bed talking about how his cyrax beat him after Evo " lol

Probably not. I don't see any result from VXG that would sway the list.


I would love to see how often MIT brings that up. Why didn't he use his Cyrax at EVO? A shame.

 

[Sao87]

based on matchups, tournament results, and character tools, I would have to vehemently disagree.

Hes far more well rounded. But I don't even know why I try to go against the hive mind on this site... His issue is he is more difficult to learn. For every 50 decent cages we have one decent Shang.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Coolwhip is correct, PL put REO into losers at PU2011 but I don't know off hand who used who so I kinda let it go. REO considered himself not to have beaten PL before EVO 2013 but based on all sets, yeah, they're 3-2.

To me this doesn't really matter anyway, though. Someone can have your number or your character's number, but it's not your 1v1 record that determines who's the better player overall in the context of history. It's how you've done vs. everyone else.

If HollyWoundCowboy was the greatest player on earth and had beaten everyone else, but say Scar had his number and had defeated him a couple times, that wouldn't automatically make Scar the better player overall. Complete record vs. all the top players is > one person-to-person MU.

 

[CURBOLICOUS]

Ok I don't mean to take anything away from PL but really think about this, tournament placing is set by your brackets. IDC how ignorant you think I am when I say this but this is 100% true ESPECIALLY for the people that don't play characters like Kabal, Kenshi or freddy. LBSH if PL got matched up vs a pool filled with cages/sonyas at EVO he wouldn't have been able to make it out of pools. Its the luck of the draw. Some people have their kryptonite characters they can't beat/players. Me for instance lets say I ran into Detroit first round at Columbus and lost then ended up meeting REO in losers bracket a match or two later. There's no way in hell I'm beating 2 of the best Kabals at the time with Johnny Cage. I would have not made top 8 and would have been considered a fraud shit talker that can't back himself up due to brackets not being on my side. Same goes for a lot of players out there. Not trying to take credit away but realize that some great players get eliminated early due to characters/player MUs. IMO I think PL had one of the easiest routes to top 8 at EVO in 2012. All MUs were in his favor or atleast he had lots of experience in.

So to say PL was the greatest of all time just because he won back to back EVO's I think is not right. Like someone else said he doesn't really place too well at other tournaments and consistency is the key here. Winning back to back EVO's with a character not in the top 5 involves a little bit of luck so the brackets can be on your side. REO is the most consistent player that's played MK9. Of all people he should be considered the best.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Ok I don't mean to take anything away from PL but really think about this, tournament placing is set by your brackets. IDC how ignorant you think I am when I say this but this is 100% true ESPECIALLY for the people that don't play characters like Kabal, Kenshi or freddy. LBSH if PL got matched up vs a pool filled with cages/sonyas at EVO he wouldn't have been able to make it out of pools. Its the luck of the draw. Some people have their kryptonite characters they can't beat/players. Me for instance lets say I ran into Detroit first round at Columbus and lost then ended up meeting REO in losers bracket a match or two later. There's no way in hell I'm beating 2 of the best Kabals at the time with Johnny Cage. I would have not made top 8 and would have been considered a fraud shit talker that can't back himself up due to brackets not being on my side. Same goes for a lot of players out there. Not trying to take credit away but realize that some great players get eliminated early due to characters/player MUs. IMO I think PL had one of the easiest routes to top 8 at EVO in 2012. All MUs were in his favor or atleast he had lots of experience in.

So to say PL was the greatest of all time just because he won back to back EVO's I think is not right. Like someone else said he doesn't really place too well at other tournaments and consistency is the key here. Winning back to back EVO's with a character not in the top 5 involves a little bit of luck so the brackets can be on your side. REO is the most consistent player that's played MK9. Of all people he should be considered the best.

This is 100% correct, and a lot of people are not willing to admit this. Also, anyone can have a good day or a bad day at a particular tournament.

EVO is the biggest, but at the end of the day it's still a tournament run exactly like the other big majors and should be subject to the same considerations. All the random people padding the pools don't change the nature of what it is.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

This is 100% correct, and a lot of people are not willing to admit this. Also, anyone can have a good day or a bad day at a particular tournament.

EVO is the biggest, but at the end of the day it's still a tournament run exactly like the other big majors and should be subject to the same considerations. All the random people padding the pools don't change the nature of what it is.

I am definitely able to admit this

Bracketology is HUGE

 

[16 Bit]

Carl is the only one who placed top 8 at the 3 different EVOs. Maybe it wasn't luck. Maybe him treating it not as just another tournament is why.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

REO won back to back MLGs though, more on the line (literally, not sentimentally). So you could sway that argument both ways.
Agreed on bracketology.

 

[AntMan]

Is CURBOLICOUS going to VxG? He won that VxG qualifier major. >.>

 

[CURBOLICOUS]

Is CURBOLICOUS going to VxG? He won that VxG qualifier major. >.>

Yes

 

[16 Bit]

REO won back to back MLGs though, more on the line (literally, not sentimentally). So you could sway that argument both ways.
Agreed on bracketology.

I'd rather win back to back EVOs than 5 majors in a row in the span of 6 months. Winning the biggest annual tournament twice shows you were the best at two different eras of play.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I'd rather win back to back EVOs than 5 majors in a row in the span of 6 months. Winning the biggest annual tournament twice shows you were the best at two different eras of play.

Even if you didn't win at all the other tournaments in those eras? Seems like it shows you were the best at those 2 tournaments. The era is up to whoever dominated it, in general.

If you reproduce your EVO results at the other big tournaments you go to, then no one can really argue with you being the best of an era. If you don't, it's conceivable that you had a great tournament at EVO for various reasons.

 

[Big Pampering]

the problem with the bracket argument is, if you look at it like that the whole list would change.

PL not meeting any cage at evo or other tournaments where he did well might be one of the reasons he won, but same could be said for tom brady, why did he have to meet all these kabals/kitanas and not all these cage players?

same thing for matxer, there were a few tournaments where maxter only lost to reo, had reo been eliminated by PL, cd jr, 16 bit, detroit or whatever player would maxter have been the nec and mlg champ?

Imo it is not possible to compare evo's to mlg's, especially evo 2012 which was imo the highest level of competition in mk history. what puts reo above PL is his grassroots wins and consistency. Had PL traveled more after evo2011 he might have been nr1, but that is not the case. so reo nr 1 basically imo.