Petition for 3/5 for injustice

[Zyphox]

Tekken is 2/3, like everything else.

When one format forces you to play better from the get go and adapt faster, I don't see how the other format is better for the community overall. You still have a huge room to play lazy as shit at the start, rather than going in and actually playing while adjusting on the fly. Injustice's health system forces you to play solid from the start as it is. With this in mind, you will want to build up your ability to consistently, and learn as much about the game as you can before you play in tournaments.

unfortunately not everyone does what you said, and a lot just go for fun without those people who just show up and get bodied we wouldn't get the numbers we do, so 3/5 benefits those players. imagine going to a tournament and going 0-2, and then have it happen so fast, that would suck right? like you said if you start out strong you are already in a great position with no round system. with 3/5 it gives those randoms that show up a chance you know? you may not agree but its a good business call when you extend tournament play time for those who do end up going 0-2, even if they are new to the game and such. what if you really like comic book characters, you're from philly, and heard that they will have a tournament were a gathering of like minded people may be at. once you do go, and you get bodied and go 0-2 and you were the first pool, and it happened so fast. but what if it was 3/5, and you took it to game 5 in both matches but you went 0-2. and since the tournament ran longer you didn't have to play your losers bracket match so quick. at ect4 i had to play chris g first round. he beat me, then almost immediately i had to play ermacio, i couldn't even go take a breather, and boom i went 0-2, my first tournament. and that was mk9, i just started playing that game 4 months before ect4. if i didn't improve my game and felt more confident i don't know if i would have gone to another. but what if it was 3/5? maybe i adapted and made a comeback? i almost beat ermacio, but it was 2/3. with that said mk9 had rounds so it wasn't smart for 3/5 with soo many people, but injustice? the matches go by fast already, why not 3/5?

 

[THTB]

unfortunately not everyone does what you said, and a lot just go for fun without those people who just show up and get bodied we wouldn't get the numbers we do, so 3/5 benefits those players. imagine going to a tournament and going 0-2, and then have it happen so fast, that would suck right? like you said if you start out strong you are already in a great position with no round system. with 3/5 it gives those randoms that show up a chance you know? you may not agree but its a good business call when you extend tournament play time for those who do end up going 0-2, even if they are new to the game and such. what if you really like comic book characters, you're from philly, and heard that they will have a tournament were a gathering of like minded people may be at. once you do go, and you get bodied and go 0-2 and you were the first pool, and it happened so fast. but what if it was 3/5, and you took it to game 5 in both matches but you went 0-2. and since the tournament ran longer you didn't have to play your losers bracket match so quick. at ect4 i had to play chris g first round. he beat me, then almost immediately i had to play ermacio, i couldn't even go take a breather, and boom i went 0-2, my first tournament. and that was mk9, i just started playing that game 4 months before ect4. if i didn't improve my game and felt more confident i don't know if i would have gone to another. but what if it was 3/5? maybe i adapted and made a comeback? i almost beat ermacio, but it was 2/3. with that said mk9 had rounds so it wasn't smart for 3/5 with soo many people, but injustice? the matches go by fast already, why not 3/5?

If you're going for fun and not caring about the outcome, why are you caring how the tournament is in terms of match formats...? You're there for the experience

And no, it doesn't give randoms an extra chance. If they're good, they'll do fine regardless. If not, no extra matches are going to change that. And if you come across someone who can adapt faster than you can, 3/5 isn't going to do shit but make it harder on you.

And running 3/5 is a lot harder than you'd think. Do you not see how often tournaments STILL run late? And how often they still don't finish on time, even if they start on time? Even with how Injustice is relatively fast-paced, it's no ST in terms of match speed.

 

[Zyphox]

If you're going for fun and not caring about the outcome, why are you caring how the tournament is in terms of match formats...? You're there for the experience

And no, it doesn't give randoms an extra chance. If they're good, they'll do fine regardless. If not, no extra matches are going to change that. And if you come across someone who can adapt faster than you can, 3/5 isn't going to do shit but make it harder on you.

And running 3/5 is a lot harder than you'd think. Do you not see how often tournaments STILL run late? And how often they still don't finish on time, even if they start on time? Even with how Injustice is relatively fast-paced, it's no ST in terms of match speed.

i don't see injustice tournaments run late, they seem to run smoothly and finish really early actually. i was at ect 5. ask anyone how fast it went, there was so much downtime in between pools and matches that people played casuals during tournament play. i just think 3/5 could work for injustice with all that i have said in the OP, regardless about the newcomers playing more and if TOs are willing to take a risk to do a 3/5 tournament.

 

[FrothyOmen]

thats why i made this "petition" to see if the players want it and show TO's that we do and that its possible.

But all I see you saying is that you want it. Where are your solutions to the time issues, or any of the other barriers to making tournament 3/5? You need harder data and facts than "anyone can see how fast this game runs of course we will have time."

I am being a pain in the ass because this has been asked for many times before, and nobody goes about it the right way. TOs understand the players want it. They would provide it if they could. If it isn't already a thing, don't you think there's a reason lol

 

[Hellbringer]

“@hecterrific: Injustice should be 3/5 all the time.”

 

[Alexandru Pascu]

Scorpion, and now Supes. I wonder if Supes got nerfed badly like Scorpion did who'd be the next char on blast cause if there's one thing that's a certainty it's that there's sure as hell gonna be another one and another one if the next one got nerfed.

 

[Zyphox]

But all I see you saying is that you want it. Where are your solutions to the time issues, or any of the other barriers to making tournament 3/5? You need harder data and facts than "anyone can see how fast this game runs of course we will have time."

I am being a pain in the ass because this has been asked for many times before, and nobody goes about it the right way. TOs understand the players want it. They would provide it if they could. If it isn't already a thing, don't you think there's a reason lol

think of this as phase one of our operation, once we know the community wants it then me and fellow tournament go'ers and TOs can start to figure out ways to make it happen. i made one suggestion, split pool days. saturday and sunday, or play pools until top 64/32 and sunday play the rest out. not just play until top 8 for next day you know?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

KDZ is the most hated IGAU player? Wtf? He is one of the most genuine people I've met in this community. He also cares deeply about his friends, respects his competitors and is never slow to help out someone in need or share info.

The level of ignorance has gone through the roof.. Give me a break.

 

[Zyphox]

KDZ is the most hated IGAU player? Wtf? He is one of the most genuine people I've met in this community. He also cares deeply about his friends, respects his competitors and is never slow to help out someone in need or share info.

The level of ignorance has gone through the roof.. Give me a break.

i say that because of the boo's he got for winning with superman at evo, not as a personal thing. chris g is also pretty hated, not because he's a douche, but because of morrigan/doom/vergil team, so yeah in a sense its very ignorant to hate on some one because of their character, i personally don't hate him at all or his character, but thats just me.

 

[Vagrant]

Signed.

Hope they do this, doubt they will.

 

[colt]

i said several times the the damage output and gameflow was always intended for 3/5. 2/3 also doesn't give much time to download an opponent in a game where rounds do not reset things.

feel free to be stubborn and believe you know better tho.

 

[Zyphox]

i said several times the the damage output and gameflow was always intended for 3/5. 2/3 also doesn't give much time to download an opponent in a game where rounds do not reset things.

feel free to be stubborn and believe you know better tho.

FrothyOmen THTB thank you sir for responding, with the game evolving 3/5 is the best bet for injustice in the future.

 

[RiBBz22]

I think first to 3 would be better for the game to be honest, but I understand the issue from both sides. Hopefully we can figure out a way to transition to it in the future.

 

[DJ L Toro]

My thoughts on this after watching evo (might update after playing VXG):
It's not necessary. for a lot of the tournament you saw someone win the first game and then get downloaded and blown up in the next 2 games. either that or they won the first, got downloaded, then downloaded back. it's something called adapting on the fly and it's good to learn. Back in the arcades it was ft1 and then get to the back of the line, so you adapted faster or you went to play another game.

second, the game is pretty boring... i'm already against tekken being ft3, at least marvel is fun to watch lol.

third, interactables off

fourth, stage transitions off

How about you guys learn to tighten up your play before saying "THIS GAME NEEDZ 3/5"?

This is the problem with a lot of you guys. Too much whining. Not enough leveling. And don't go there with the "another GET BETTER [ban incoming]!".

There's a difference between this post and people saying level up to actual problems with the game (e.g. glitches, RC off switch that only reduces the value, etc). I agree with this

Fuck off with that nrs players are slow learners shit..

lol i find it funny that you get likes for getting butthurt

 

[Deleted member 9158]

3/5 for the next major? See how it goes at least?

 

[G4S KT]

MLG ran 3/5 for MK9 and it was pretty gdlk.

That being said, in a world where everything already runs painfully behind schedule this could be a recipe for disaster.

2/3 pools

3/5 top 64-32-16-whatever

 

[DanableLector]

My thoughts on this after watching evo (might update after playing VXG):
It's not necessary. for a lot of the tournament you saw someone win the first game and then get downloaded and blown up in the next 2 games. either that or they won the first, got downloaded, then downloaded back. it's something called adapting on the fly and it's good to learn. Back in the arcades it was ft1 and then get to the back of the line, so you adapted faster or you went to play another game.

second, the game is pretty boring... i'm already against tekken being ft3, at least marvel is fun to watch lol.

third, interactables off

fourth, stage transitions off


There's a difference between this post and people saying level up to actual problems with the game (e.g. glitches, RC off switch that only reduces the value, etc). I agree with this

lol i find it funny that you get likes for getting butthurt

I'm just trying to stand up for the kommunity. The one or two people that actually liked my comment must have understood that. I don't get it, you have problem? As far as ft3. Im on board with that.

 

[Shock]

It depends on player turnout and available setups. That's all. The only problem is that it really should be announced ahead of time if a tournament is going to be 2/3 or 3/5 so it becomes problematic.

I am all for 3/5 for whatever the post pools matches are. If top 8 is being streamed by the main stream and not the game sub stream, there comes a problem because of scheduling. If I approached Big E and Spooky at Summer Jam and they agreed top 8 could be 3/5 on stream, it's a go, but we can't run the whole tournament 3/5 and then drop to 2/3 for stream until top 3. This might result in having to drop to top 4 on stream. Pick your poison.

 

[Zyphox]

It depends on player turnout and available setups. That's all. The only problem is that it really should be announced ahead of time if a tournament is going to be 2/3 or 3/5 so it becomes problematic.

I am all for 3/5 for whatever the post pools matches are. If top 8 is being streamed by the main stream and not the game sub stream, there comes a problem because of scheduling. If I approached Big E and Spooky at Summer Jam and they agreed top 8 could be 3/5 on stream, it's a go, but we can't run the whole tournament 3/5 and then drop to 2/3 for stream until top 3. This might result in having to drop to top 4 on stream. Pick your poison.

i can agree with top 32 and on be 3/5. also with how evo went they had 2 hours of top 8 stream time, but only 1 hour and 30 approx. and that was with 2 time outs. i hope you and the other TO's can come to an agreement for atleast 3/5 for top 64/32/16 or whatever after the pools are over with.

 

[SZSR]

As a viewer, 2/3 feels better because many matches devolve to the waiting game, which feels too much like Tekken(I enjoy playing it, but as a spectator it has much to be desired).

As a competitor, 3/5 feels better because you cant really digest an entire opponents fighting style in a 2/3 set in a game like this where mechanics are so forgiving (i.e., you may not be exposed to some tactics because you took away your opponents setup by clashing or using an interactable).

Just how I feel.

 

[Zyphox]

As a viewer, 2/3 feels better because many matches devolve to the waiting game, which feels too much like Tekken(I enjoy playing it, but as a spectator it has much to be desired).

As a competitor, 3/5 feels better because you cant really digest an entire opponents fighting style in a 2/3 set in a game like this where mechanics are so forgiving (i.e., you may not be exposed to some tactics because you took away your opponents setup by clashing or using an interactable).

Just how I feel.

it really depends tbh on what match is being played for the viewer, if its GL vs superman, that can get pretty boring, but if flash or shazam just starts playing, they obviously have to get in and as you saw cyrax vs kabal, that can get pretty exciting. i agree however, no one wants to sit there and see sinestro vs death stroke play 3/5 matches LMAO.

 

[Shock]

If there's a 32 player tournament for example, there's probably no reason it shouldn't be run 3/5 at a major. A local is more difficult because there might only be 3 or 4 setups. At a major, at least around here, we've been sure to have at least 7 setups for MK9 or Injustice and with that probably a 64 player tournament with rigidly timed brackets can be done 3/5. I have noticed there being a lot of down time after pools where there's a large match queue waiting for the stream and literally no reason to be using the pool setups anymore, which then turn into casuals until the next pool starts. If it's still not feasible to run a 64 player bracket at 3/5, you will likely come down to a top 16 out of those pools (I even don't mind working down to a fresh all winners top 8 for an 8 pool tournament but players like the larger pool break downs). In this situation, it'd definitely be reasonable to run 3/5 if you don't run the first round of top 16 losers bracket on stream to save some time. It's all about juggling the schedule.

 

[SZSR]

it really depends tbh on what match is being played for the viewer, if its GL vs superman, that can get pretty boring, but if flash or shazam just starts playing, they obviously have to get in and as you saw cyrax vs kabal, that can get pretty exciting. i agree however, no one wants to sit there and see sinestro vs death stroke play 3/5 matches LMAO.

Yes, actually Flash vs Shazam was precisely the match I was thinking of when I was talking about the 3/5 match. When I played AK Harolds Flash, after we learned each others options and punishes you saw the back and forth that you regularly see in Street Fighter, like respect. Trying to condition the other to get into a rhythm, you know trying to outplay the other.

But yes, Deathstroke vs Sinestro and Superman vs GL is why i'd want to see 2/3, Lol.

 

[Zyphox]

If there's a 32 player tournament for example, there's probably no reason it shouldn't be run 3/5 at a major. A local is more difficult because there might only be 3 or 4 setups. At a major, at least around here, we've been sure to have at least 7 setups for MK9 or Injustice and with that probably a 64 player tournament with rigidly timed brackets can be done 3/5. I have noticed there being a lot of down time after pools where there's a large match queue waiting for the stream and literally no reason to be using the pool setups anymore, which then turn into casuals until the next pool starts. If it's still not feasible to run a 64 player bracket at 3/5, you will likely come down to a top 16 out of those pools (I even don't mind working down to a fresh all winners top 8 for an 8 pool tournament but players like the larger pool break downs). In this situation, it'd definitely be reasonable to run 3/5 if you don't run the first round of top 16 losers bracket on stream to save some time. It's all about juggling the schedule.

yes i remember at ect 5 so much downtime and wondering if 3/5 would have worked. i think you can make a few sacrifices on stream time to accommodate 3/5 after pools or just during a tournament altogether. do you think there is any chance BigE would be able to switch injustice to 3/5 at least after pools are done for summer jam 7 this august? it could be a good opportunity to try it out for a major( if thats considered one) to gauge the experience and maybe set the blueprint for future tournaments for injustice.

 

[Nutrient]

Game shouldn't be 3/5

That would be major ResidentSleeper
Either ban certain stages or get rid of interactables

Or better yet, wait till the community gets better, KDZ performance was fantastic but lacking, the amount of Super oppertunitys he had GF was aggitating to watch wasted

Coming from somebody with some common sense.