BoromiRofGeo
Kombatant
Over: Raiden
Under: Kitana
Over: Raiden
Under: Kitana
Stryker didn't have teleport cancelsThe fuck does this have to do with anything?
Stryker had restand options in MK9 and he was bottom tier, maybe even the worst character in the game entirely.
Inferno Scorp may have two restand options, but not everything he does results in that, his threats after knocking someone down are easily the worst between his three variations.
Under-rated: Ferra/Torr - especially in his solo variation
I keep hearing people say this, but I'm not seeing it in practice. I'm familiar with the strengths (and weaknesses) of Vicious, but can someone explain to me what's going on with Lackey? I hear rumors of mad damage and Lackey potentially becoming the dominant variant, but I've never seen anything or done anything with Lackey to make me a believer.Underrated: Ferra/torr (Vicious and Lackey) maybe kano too not sure if that's TYM's real opinion of kano or they just want buffs
Overrated: Raiden (Thunder God)
I keep hearing people say this, but I'm not seeing it in practice. I'm familiar with the strengths (and weaknesses) of Vicious, but can someone explain to me what's going on with Lackey? I hear rumors of mad damage and Lackey potentially becoming the dominant variant, but I've never seen anything or done anything with Lackey to make me a believer.
Not sure what this is supposed to mean as far as keeping you standing goes...Stryker didn't have teleport cancels
tell that to any kenjutsu kenshi player.But that's basically what I said. Good characters are usually easier to win with, that's why they're good. Execution is really just something that with practice becomes muscle memory, even for characters like kabal. When able to use his tools correctly it essentially becomes easier to win.
I wouldn't call an easy execution character braindead just based on what they can preform with minimal practice. There's terrible characters in games where execution is barely needed and vice versa.
I'm essentially agreeing with your response. I just don't believe execution shoukd even be a factor when determining how good a character is. As long as it's humanly possible to do what's required to win practice will make it practical.
I got totally off track with my last post though because I'm skim reading and responding from my phone. I agree that scorpion is easy to use execution wise but he has to work to win.
I know he does, but take this match for instance:Grr plays lackey
Are you saying that kenjitsu is too execution heavy to be viable?tell that to any kenjutsu kenshi player.
I guess post patch its a much much different story, but pre-patch? yes.Are you saying that kenjitsu is too execution heavy to be viable?
You have it pretty pegged. Most everything is fuzzy guardable, he gets zoned out by a lot of the cast and actually his damage is mediocre, as in his meterless damages is like %27 -%35 max. Also, the F2/B2 isn't safe. I'm not trying to second guess Grr here, or but the only time I saw him do F2 in that match he cancelled it into charge, which shouldn't be done. I bet there's some serious yomi going on between him and Steve in this set, and so you're seeing adaptations from multiple sets.I know he does, but take this match for instance:
What is Grr doing aside from just being a great player and knowing how to block? There are multiple times where could be getting more damage than what he got, but he opted for some sort of roll setup that doesn't even guarantee pressure (opponent can still tech roll). Like, so, there's no damage and there's no real mixup (Grr rarely used the b2/f2 50/50, which is also fuzzyable to some extent btw). All that happens is that FT is safe and Grr is hella patient. Where is the hidden strength of FT in Lackey that everyone is talking about?
Overrated: Sub-Zero. No way in hell are we even top 10 or ever were, and people often stil offhandedly describe him as "top tier" just to avoid back-pedalling on all that whinging they had to do to get him nerfed, before anyone really had any idea where he was actually going to sit. The fact that so many people listed him as their overrated just goes to show, nobody really had any idea what they were talking about with all the whinging.
Well I've been meaning to do a pros and cons on F/T variations so I'll take this opprotunity nowI keep hearing people say this, but I'm not seeing it in practice. I'm familiar with the strengths (and weaknesses) of Vicious, but can someone explain to me what's going on with Lackey? I hear rumors of mad damage and Lackey potentially becoming the dominant variant, but I've never seen anything or done anything with Lackey to make me a believer.
I main Sonya and you can call me an uppplayer if you want, but her B14 can't be armored through if spaced correctly. I've been testing it with friends offline and it's only interruptible when you're too close, B1 has good range, just throw it out from a slight jump distance and when you're fine. Also, exploiting her gaps is not the easiest thing in the world.You talk about EBs gaps then leave out Sonyas lol.
She has gaps in almost all of her strings, including the OH low string. THEN she also has a gap between any string into Military stance, where an armor move beats out all of her MS options. Dont get me wrong, she's still good but people are beginning to exploit her weaknesses and that is why you are seeing less of her in tournament.
Also EBs gaps where exploited in the top 8 at TCW. DJT and FK both exploited the gap in f13 sand and also made reads on the 11212 command grab gaps. Even with the gaps Outlaw is still pretty good, although I think Marksman is way better.
Maybe so. Scorps are far from brain dead IMO though. I've never been one to downplay my characters, and HF Scorp is definitely terrifying despite how 'easy' his cancels might be. (which not all of them are. b3(hit)~FBRC 21 starters say hello)I meant, after 20 minutes in the lab i could use him in game and online. (hes my counterpick for kano and jaqui)
I don't go to tournament as there isn't a huge scene in scotland but i go my local meetups etc, i can't really pretend i understand tournament pressure.
But i think if i can get the grasp of his most difficult tool in 20minutes and replicate it effectively in game, it can't be that bad. Kabals stuff too me forever, and as mentioned the other characters in this game have MUCH harder cancels.
I would argue that the character isn't that good if the execution wasn't practical to get down.I guess post patch its a much much different story, but pre-patch? yes.