Aren't you a Predator main?The difference is that when people, including yourself early in the game, say he is #1 - he gets normalized. When I say something nothing happens.
This is where I end the clone talk. It is what it is. I've long moved on and completely changed up how I play because I need to play better and use the character properly. I just don't want any more nerfs that could potentially happen later in the game.
I like how both videos basically consist of Tom pushing the false narrative that complainers got Sub nerfed when if you look at Dave's thread, the consensus, the overall majority, did NOT get clone nerfed.
But yes, continue to blame TYM. Because Paulo never makes decisions for himself.
A thread doesn't make it to 30 pages of everyone just agreeing in a circlejerk. The majority may have been sensible enough, but the constant whinging and controversy surrounding Sub was quite clearly enough to get resultsthat thread and the first 30 days were mostly people spamming NOT to nerf anything and to let it rock. sorry you got caught up in tom's narrative.
Exactly.I was pointing out that thread as proof that many people on both sides were having a very lengthy discussion about the Ice Clone being too good.
Except by moving out of punish range of B2 you are now out of connect range of any low starter, making the B2 completely worthless to throw out as it will be blocked everytime by an opponent who knows the match upI've practiced against SZ setups in the lab and I swear if SZ just takes a small step backwards the b2 can't be punished and the opponent gets frozen because SZ's and the Clone's hitboxes no longer collide. But I'm no SZ main so I wouldn't know for sure.
A thread doesn't make it to 30 pages of everyone just agreeing in a circlejerk. The majority may have been sensible enough, but the constant whinging and controversy surrounding Sub was quite clearly enough to get results
Exactly.
If anyone is caught up in the narrative, it is he who thinks that these threads had no impact on Sub's changes. JUST A MASSIVE COINCIDENCE AYEE BOYS
Because they took a 30 pages through debating it.If the majority were sensible, how would the whiners - the minority be overheard?
Makes no sense.
Because they took a 30 pages through debating it.
And that's acting like thats the only place they kept it all, it was flooded through shitloads of other threads as well.
Your perspective on this being completely unrelated to Sub-Zeros nerf seems detached and makes no sense to me.
I think he did make his own decision, and that was to squash the non-stop balance bickering Sub-Zero was getting at the release of his game. And it worked. No 30 page threads any more no matter how hard we try.I think Paulo is a grown ass man who has developed video games longer than you and I have, and probably makes his own decisions.
I think he did make his own decision, and that was to squash the non-stop balance bickering Sub-Zero was getting at the release of his game. And it worked. No 30 page threads any more no matter how hard we try.
hes only safe off of f4 bro the rest can be armored reversal for a full combo so stop posting this absolute bullshit in the video he cant walk back he is being punished incase you dont know what punished means its when a character like sub does a move like his overhead which is -13 so if jax does f3 which is less than 13 frames because sub zero is still recovering from the b2 he gets hitIf sub just takes a step back away from the clone. He will not get hit by a normal. B2 has range. No reason to be so close. But w.e. As long as sub doesnt get nerfed ill be happy.
Thats cute.hes only safe off of f4 bro the rest can be armored reversal for a full combo so stop posting this absolute bullshit in the video he cant walk back he is being punished incase you dont know what punished means its when a character like sub does a move like his overhead which is -17 so if jax does f3 which is less than 17 frames because sub zero is still recovering from the b2 he gets hit
@Everyonewhowantstostaysane boycott this utter idiots posts hes a casual who reckons hes something more when the longest set hes played is geetting the same guy in ranked twice.Thats cute.
Id play you ft10 and shut you up but you play on the shitbox.@Everyonewhowantstostaysane boycott this utter idiots posts hes a casual who reckons hes something more when the longest set hes played is geetting the same guy in ranked twice.
Nope. I'm testing it and I can't find the range where you can be in range of a B33 and a B2 and they cannot normal you through the Clone. I'm open to be proved otherwise, feel free to show me a vid. But if not, and you are only in range of a B2, then they have absolutely no reason to block low as it's not a 50/50, and you just blocked on the Overhead every single time.If sub just takes a step back away from the clone. He will not get hit by a normal. B2 has range. No reason to be so close. But w.e. As long as sub doesnt get nerfed ill be happy.
So now your argument is that nrs NEVER listens to the community on anything when it comes to changes and nothing has ever influenced their opinion? Just because they didn't back down about Jacqui? I think the SZ issue was a little deeper and a little less clear cut than the Jacqui one.You know, Full Auto Jacqui had whole Kotaku articles to how broken her guns were.
She had whole live streams dedicated to showing how cheap and broken they were.
Ed Boon's twitter was flooded with Jacqui nerf demands.
And yet...
Jacqui remained the same.
The Sub Zero outcry was nowhere near as bad.
I think if the impact was as big as you seem to think, it would be more consistent.Nope. I'm testing it and I can't find the range where you can be in range of a B33 and a B2 and they cannot normal you through the Clone. I'm open to be proved otherwise, feel free to show me a vid. But if not, and you are only in range of a B2, then they have absolutely no reason to block low as it's not a 50/50, and you just blocked on the Overhead every single time.
So now your argument is that nrs NEVER listens to the community on anything when it comes to changes and nothing has ever influenced their opinion? Just because they didn't back down about Jacqui? I think the SZ issue was a little deeper and a little less clear cut than the Jacqui one.
NP NP, neither of us really know for sure, it's open to interpretation as it standsI think if the impact was as big as you seem to think, it would be more consistent.
We can agree to disagree. I just don't think Paulo is this mindless drone that does whatever TYM asks.
Id play you ft10 and shut you up but you play on the shitbox.
I've played Goblin in a pretty long set before. He's well versed, in a lot of different characters. Good luck.@Everyonewhowantstostaysane boycott this utter idiots posts hes a casual who reckons hes something more when the longest set hes played is geetting the same guy in ranked twice.
doubt itI've played Goblin in a pretty long set before. He's well versed, in a lot of different characters. Good luck.